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     roy Username: roy Registered: 11-2003 |
The following is a prophecy given through Thomas Gibson (whom I consider reliable) today. 2004 11 20.1 I declare, says the Lord, that Bush would win the election. I declare, says the Lord, that the time of judgment upon the U.S. will continue. First, Bush will surround himself with unwise counsellors. These will lead him away from wisdom and toward destruction. Then, Bush will drag the U.S. into a situation that will enable China and Russia to attack. When all this is done according to My plan, judgment will become fierce upon fierce. So says the Lord. Thomas S. Gibson Thomas Gibson website | ||
| roy Username: roy Registered: 11-2003 |
The following is a prophecy given through Stephen Hanson today. "THE RED HORSE" Nov. 20, 2004 "When the Lamb opened the second seal, I heard the second living creature say, "Come!" Then another horse came out, a fiery red one. Its rider was given power to take peace from the earth and to make men slay each other. To him was given a large sword. " Rev. 6:3-4 "How awful that day will be! None will be like it. It will be a time of trouble for Jacob, but he will be saved out of it." Jer. 30:7 "This area in which you live is "on safe ground." The time will come when America will be attacked. Those things that many are planning to prevent these things from happening will fail. For plans are being made by those who wish that America would be abolished. I tell you that difficult days are ahead. These days will begin during the next year. For surely, you will be attacked and others will enter into another war with you. Those whose hearts are true to Me will be saved. Jacob's Trouble will begin soon after these things. " "I will save my people and I will be there in times of trouble. Those who run to Me will be on 'safe ground' but those who continue to shut their ears to Me will be in for trouble. I tell you that the red horse has come and will continue to ride upon the land." Stephen Hanson Stephen Hanson's website | ||
| roy Username: roy Registered: 11-2003 |
One thing that has been prophesied through numerous people is that the economic fall will precede the conflicts. Therefore, remember that the prophecies about the future conflict are still a short ways off and the economic and stock market fall will come first. I am not sure about the timing, but I suspect it is later in 2005 (economic & stock market fall) since a preceding sign would be oil greatly increased in price. These signs of oil greatly increasing in price and the economic/stock market fall are largely brought about by the forces who want to abolish the USA. | ||
| debi Username: debi Registered: 2-2004 |
Roy why is Mexico sitting on there oil they should hand it over. | ||
| Raul Delgado |
This is in regards to Roy's comment about those who have prophecied about the economic fall preceding the next World War. I just wanted to include two of those such prophecies. Thomas Gibson wrote, "This word of the Lord is for all those who have desired to know the times and seasons. There will come a three-fold sign of the end times. This will be, no matter, what else may happen. I, the Lord, have spoken. 1.The fall of an American President 2.The collapse of the American economy 3.The infiltration onto American soil of enemy bands of soldiers to begin World War III" David Wilkerson wrote in 1985, "...the great holocaust follows an economic collapse in America. The enemy will make its move when we are weak and helpless..." | ||
| roy Username: roy Registered: 11-2003 |
Raul, Thanks. Do you remember the date that the Gibson prophecy above was released? I was just wondering if it referred to the impeachment of Clinton, or something future concerning "W"? The Bible code indicates a future attempt on "W's" life, but the Gibson prophecy could be about (in point 1) the Clinton impeachment. Debi, Mexico is a sovereign nation and what they have belongs to them. They do sell oil in the international market. The greater wild card in oil is not Mexico, but is Venezuela. Venezuela's president, Hugo Chavez, is a marxist and is in the midst of transforming Venezuela into another "Stalinist" paradise (but has strong support among the poor there because like all socialists he promises a utopian system where the poor will be given much. That utopian promise is just an illusion to gain absolute control as it has been done everywhere). If the USA people were serious about a future oil supply, then they would support drilling in ANWAR in Alaska, and in other places in the USA where the Greenies have fought tooth and nail to stop drilling. Personally, I'd like to see us move to a hydrogen economy. | ||
| Raul Delgado |
Thomas posted the above prophetic word on Sept. 22, 1997. I too have wondered if the first point above concerning the fall of an American president refers to Clinton's political/personal fall or President Bush's assassination. Thomas was asked about this and this is what he said. (5-20-99)"I received many questions on the prophecy mentioned below since the end of 1998. (1-23-98) 'Thus says the Lord, Bill Clinton shall fall before the end of this year!' Below is the e-mail I received and the answer the Lord gave to me: I am a supporter of yours, but was curious on prophecy [1998 01 23.1] on Jan 1998. It said Bill Clinton will fall before the end of the year; as we know he didn't. Just curious how you felt about this? [Thomas speaking] Without a doubt, this is the most asked question these days! At the time God gave me this prophecy, I did not know exactly what He meant. Upon questioning God on this, He simply told me to wait and see. So, after 1998 was over this is what I see as a fall: Clinton was impeached by the House in 1998, but the Senate trial voted against impeachment this year(1999). In order to be thrown out of power it is necessary to be impeached by both the House and Senate, so he stays in power even though he was impeached by the House just before Christmas 1998. So Clinton fell in 1998 all he was going to fall. There is an important lesson here. That is, not to assume what is meant by a prophecy when it doesn't spell out exactly what is to happen. Fall can mean many things, and certainly being impeached by the House, but not the Senate was a significant fall. God Bless, Thomas S. Gibson." Now, on Aug. 31, 2002 Thomas wrote, "The Lord says, George Bush shall not leave his office before the end of his second term, but rather shall be killed before that time." Roy, in my personal opionion I have to say that I'm not totally sure if the fall refers to Clinton or Bush, but I think it could be saying that Bush's fall could come in the form of assassination by either terrorists or the nuclear Russian attack on certain American cities including Washington DC. Here are some more prophetic words concerning the coming economic fall. Thomas Gibson 11-16-97: Coming is the time, near is the time, and soon shall be when the economy shall completely collapse. It will not come totally at once. First there'll be some problems, then there'll be a crash, and so forth. Thomas Gibson 2-03-01: When the crash comes and it shall come, and it shall come soon, ...and when it comes, I will crash many ministries at that time. For you see they will have raised themselves up on a tidal wave of prosperity of the world, and when that prosperity falls, they will fall with it. For their foundation is built on the love of money. But those ministries that are built on the foundation of the Lord Jesus Christ, they shall rise up and continue, for they have been built on a very solid Rock, says the Lord. Stephen Hanson 10-30-02: You will see the stock market crash more than it did during the deep depression. Thomas Gibson 12-02-98: You stand on the verge of the greatest destruction of the economy of this earth. This world shall not see an economy like it has now , ever again. I shall bring it down, and I shall keep it there. For they shall try and raise it up, but I shall not allow it. Trust Me, say the Lord. When the great crash occurs, it shall come down. ...You hear the word. You stand on the verge of the greatest economic collapse in the history of mankind. Robert Holmes -A Word for the USA -November 1998: ...I believe the time of judgment has arrived for the west, and we shall fear the name of the Lord. Those in the east will fear His glory, for He shall arise and demonstrate His great power in those nations. There will shortly come a time when Wall Street will collapse. No longer shored up by public confidence it will swagger unger the weight of national debt. On a day of frenzied trading, it shall tumble the nation into turmoil and depression. The attention of the creditor nations will be drawn to America. I saw a time of conferences and meetings, international concern and intervention by prominent international organizations in domestic economics and affairs. For the first time in US history, international organizations will intervene in domestic affairs. I saw international troops on US soil. A National economic crisis, and localised crisis will be announced, and utilizing certain powers, the US President will call the FEMA(Federal Emergency Management Agency) into action. You will see black helicopters on television and this will be a sign. When she is weakest, a set of disasters will befall the nation. | ||
| roy Username: roy Registered: 11-2003 |
Raul, Thanks for the clarification, and the additional prophecies. So...the Sept 22, 1997 prophecy could be about "both" the Clinton impeachment, and the assassination (or attempted) of "W". I still have belief that prayer can change things concerning the latter, as it did for Reagan 20 years ago. However, if point 1 is about an assassination of "W", then it occurs before the economic crash. However, I have decided that I am not going to say anything more specific about the timing of the assassination (or attempt) as I see it in the Bible code, although I will tell people where the matrix is at if they want to develop it personally. (the main term is "GeorgeWBush"). BTW, there have already been some recent international meetings about the moderate fall in the value of the USA dollar versus the Euro, and the value of Asian currencies versus both the US$ and Euro. So...those "one-worlders" are already working out how they want to engineer it to bring it about. | ||
| Raul Delgado |
After I finished writing the previous message, I too felt that if the "fall" has something to do with our current President, then it would have to occur before the economic fall and the nuclear attack. So, I reasoned that since our President is the terrorists most hated and if indeed Osama Bin Laden is caught by the end of this year as prophecied by Stephen Hanson, then I would think that it is very possible that the terrorists would have something specific planned for our President. I truly believe that the terrorists will strike in the U.S. again and one of their targets is President Bush. For this reason, I too will be praying for our President and our country. I personally like President Bush, and besides, he is from Texas where I'm from. When he was governor, I also lived in Austin, about 15 minutes from the Governor's Mansion. I voted for him last time and this time as well and I'm Hispanic and you know Hispanics are traditionally Democrats. Ha-Ha!!! God Bless. | ||
| debi Username: debi Registered: 2-2004 |
Roy That explains alot! Clark Howard was talking about that on the Radio last week Hydrogen cars. I dont like being so dependant on the Middle East for Oil We should drill. | ||
| debi Username: debi Registered: 2-2004 |
Roy when I was thinking of Mexico my thoughts were more "share" but yet I see the USA not utilizeing what we already have. I am glad you said " I still have a belief that prayer can change the latter" so do I Roy Bush being in Harms way scares me I dont want to witness his death just the thought of him bending his ear to unGodly counsel, is enough to keep interceeding. It also angers me that we dont HONOR God like we should in this Nation. I think about this stuff all the time.... Have a good day Lord bless your going out and coming in Roy  | ||
| will Username: will Registered: 12-2003 |
Thanks for posting those older prophecies of Gibson and others Raul. | ||
| Raul Delgado |
Will, you're welcome. I was glad to do it. I really believe we are turning the prophetic corner and truly entering into the End Times as described in the Book of Revelation. Things are about to get darker and darker for the world, but for those who are in the Lord, we can rejoice in the fact that God is with us and thus who can be against us. As the world enters into the valley of death, we as believers shouldn't fear evil. For God is still God and He will be with us no matter how hot the furnace gets. Unfortunately, many will began to question God's promises and turn from the faith. But, at the same time, some who have been in total darkness will soon enter into His light. God continues to speak to us in various ways and we must keep listening and receiving His guidance and we should never despise prophecy, but rather embrace it. | ||
| debi Username: debi Registered: 2-2004 |
Raul I agree with everything you've said the Holy Spirit Draws us here. Roy's boards are a beacon of light a PILLER. I learn from everyone one of you!! Roy you are AWSOMEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!! you make me laugh Halfbright.. Tripping over the cord in Arafats hospital room what a laugh... Lord bless all of you!! Make we all give Thanks to the KING OF KINGS!! | ||
| Raul Delgado |
The following prophetic word was recently posted by Barbara Lynch and is entitled, "Get The House In Order." It is time to get the house in order. It is time that everything unclean is eliminated. For the evil in this world is increasing and the evil will overtake the good in some areas. There is much being said about 911 and how terrible it was, but what is coming upon America is far more outreaching than 911. Many will not be able to distinguish the good from the evil, for their minds will have been darkened by the hardening of their hearts. There will be much tribulation at this given time. Woe upon woe will increase across this great America. Yes, some have repented and that is good, but so many more have not and that is what has brought this judgment upon My Chosen Land America. I had set America apart as a sign and a wonder of My Great Love for My people. But now it is being set apart to demonstrate My Great Wrath for a people that would not turn to the living Father, but chose to serve their own Baals. America will no longer be America as you all have known her. She will be distorted on all sides and she will lack in every area. But the bright side is, this move of mine will bring a landslide salvation to America. Sodom and Gomorrah have nothing on America. She has reached down into the bowels of hell and pulled every abomination to the surface and she has played the harlot over and over again. NOW! Now, I will have My say. The saints that have gone before are crying out for revenge on this perverted land, and I am answering their cries. When will they repent? You just watch, saith the Father! You just watch! I will repay saith the Lord, I will repay evil for evil. And good for good in this end time judgment. joshua2000@delaware.net | ||
| rick Username: rick Registered: 1-2004 |
Roy Do you recall a Bob Neumann anywhere ? A Friend sent me some of his Prophecies that are interesting to say the least. I sort of remember seeing some of his stuff from a site somewhere some time ago. have a good day | ||
| roy Username: roy Registered: 11-2003 |
Rick, The name seems familiar. I did a Google search and found an old website that didn't have anything newer than 2000. However, Steve Quayle's prophecy webpage has a December 2004 entry from Bob Neuman. Steve Quayle's website | ||
| briscom Username: briscom Registered: 12-2003 |
Roy... Do you think this Oil Food Scandal could rapidly lead to a firery showdown between the U.N. and the U.S.A.? Or are there just too many hands in the cookie jar and there will be just a lot of accusations before it is eventually forgotten? | ||
| roy Username: roy Registered: 11-2003 |
Hello Harold, Personally, I don't think the oil for food program will cause a problem between the USA and UN. Why? Because there is a formal investigation going on, headed by former head of the Federal Reserve, Paul Volcker. So...the USA is represented by Volcker and others in the investigation. Also, the USA is in possession of secret documents from the Saddam administration and have a list of 267 people and organizations that were given vouchers of 1 million barrels (or more) of Iraqi oil. Recipients could turn around and flip the voucher with oil traders and make from $250,000 to $1 million or more from the piece of paper. There were important people in nations all over the world who were paid off by Saddam, including members of Parliament in England, France and Russia. And...these were some of the more vocal people arguing against the coalition removing Saddam. I just hope they make all the names of people public, who took payoffs from Saddam through the oil for food program. And chastise them publicly. | ||
| Michael |
To my understanding, Volcker is not representing the United States, he was appointed to investigate by the UN. This oil-for-food scam goes pretty deep, and the repercussions will be felt in many countries, if the scope of payoffs, in the form of vouchers to key governments and individuals worth up to a million barrels of oil apiece, is ever allowed to come to light. It goes a long way toward explaining the resistance of some countries to an Iraq invasion. I honestly believe Volcker to be in Annan's hip pocket, and so don't expect a thorough exposé anytime soon... basically, he's there to whitewash and then bury it. It's especially beneficial that he is American, and has some level of credibility in the US, in order to fend off any sort of genuine inquiry into the matter, a congressional investigation or some other sort of truly independent effort that is outside of UN control. This matter does have the potential to undo the UN as any sort of viable international body. | ||
| roy Username: roy Registered: 11-2003 |
Michael, Not to sound harsh, but the experience of the UN over the last 20 years has proven it to be an impotent organization. The UN had peacekeepers in Rwanda and Burundi, AND DID NOTHING to stop the butchery. I'm not sure if Anan was Sec General at the time, probably Boutros Boutros Ghali. The UN has been aware of the butchery in Sudan for over 10 years and done nothing. It's only been direct pressure by the USA (as a response to pressure from missionaries and private citizens) that has really begun to address the killing there. Why is the UN impotent? Because muslim countries and third world countries dominate the general assembly and they don't see anything wrong in these places. If it weren't for the Security Council, the UN would do nothing. They even want to take credit for bringing about an election in Afghanistan and Iraq, but the fact is when the UN building was bombed in Baghdad, the UN moved all their people to Jordan. An effective world assembly could be a good thing, but third world countries have interests different than 1st world countries and they have the majority of votes in the general assembly. The IAEA has been totally ineffective at preventing proliferation of WMD, they always take the countries' word for it that the country will obey the UN guidelines. Then countries like Iraq, Iran, North Korea and Libya just go ahead full speed developing their programs secretly. It's a big costly joke. Paul Volcker is an American; although as a former central banker he's also part of the financial elite in the world. Nevertheless, I'd like to think that an American would look out for USA interests in some ways. I don't know that the USA Congress has the formal right to investigate the UN. They can do it informally, but even then all the USA can do is withhold their dues (which pay 35% of the operations of the UN). | ||
| Michael |
Your replies to my occasional posts to this forum never fail to surprise me. No need to be concerned about sounding harsh, because I am no fan of the United Nations. But, far from being an instance of impotency, the past and current UN inaction regarding Sudan is actually quite deliberate, in my opinion. While this organization can most often be termed a source of bureaucratic and diplomatic dithering and little else, there are instances of "do nothing" as geopolitical strategy; in addition to Sudan, look to Iraq, "Palestine," Rwanda, Zimbabwe and several other nations as examples. I would be glad to provide you with quite a few credible links that show Paul Volcker was "appointed" by Kofi Annan, and provided a $30 million budget to perform exactly as those who have hired him expect, which is to whitewash and bury the whole oil-for-food scam. There are currently four separate efforts underway, internally here in the US, to begin congressional investigations; there are serious doubts as to Volcker's impartiality; there is a complete lack of transparency as to the whole investigative process; and, the UN is refusing to provide any documentation to US congressional efforts or any other outside authority. This does have great potential to completely undermine the UN as any sort of international deliberative body, Annan knows this, and this is why he brought Volcker in, to shore up perceptions in the US, a nation whose support is vital to the ongoing existence of the United Nations. Should the depths of this get out in the US, there would no longer be sufficient support for continued involvement in the UN, and more than a few congressional and senatorial political careers would be in jeopardy due to Saddam's influence peddling. I, for one, don't think that this would be a negative development. | ||
| Ray McCarty Username: rm Registered: 3-2004 |
Just one more reason we here in the U.S. should start hounding our congressmen to get that orginization off of American soil. This may turn out to be the key needed to get that done. Peace all. | ||
| roy Username: roy Registered: 11-2003 |
Michael, If you have any links that would help shed light on the subject of the UN investigation, go ahead and post them here. The formatting link on the left side shows you how to make a link active in your post. | ||
| Michael |
Roy, Here's a good starting point: Toronto Free Press article Mr. Volcker has several conflicts of interest that are not getting internal media exposure in the United States, to my knowledge. This article lays it out with a relative degree of detail. | ||
| Michael |
Anyone interested in learning more about this might also want to look into Marc Rich. If you don't recall, he was the beneficiary of an 11th-hour pardon, courtesy of the previous administration. It appears as though oil-for-food money may have been funnelled into the building of the Clinton library, via wife Denise, this being one among many interesting implications. It's amazing what US $20 billion or so could buy, isn't it? Hopefully, it will have been all for naught. | ||
| roy Username: roy Registered: 11-2003 |
Michael, Money does buy friends, at least temporarily. :-) Many of the foreign fighters captured in Fallujah and other places in Iraq have pockets full of money. Both Iran and Syria are recruiting and paying people to go fight the Americans in Iraq. Of course, some of that money paying fighters from Syria may be from the semi-truck loads of cash Saddam moved to Syria just before the war started and just after it started. Money buys mercenaries everywhere. | ||
| Raul Delgado |
Probably most on this board are familiar with the contemporary prophecies concerning the coming war to America, but for someone who isn't, I would like to revisit some of them, as well as a very interesting news article that coincides with the prophecies. Before I start, let me just say that I included only parts of whole prophecies. Dumitru Duduman-April 22, 1996-...Stand there, don't move, and look, he continued, You will see what they are saying, and what they are preparing for America. As I was looking, I saw a great light. A dark cloud appeared over it. I saw the president of Russia, a short and chubby man, who said he was the president of China, and two others. The last two also said where they were from, but I did not understand. However, I gathered they were part of the Russian controlled territory. The men stepped out of the cloud. The Russian president began to speak to the Chinese one. I will give you the land with all the people, but you must free Taiwan of the Americans. Do not fear, we will attack them from behind. A voice said to me, Watch where the Russians penetrate America. I saw these words written: Alaska; Minnesota; Florida. Then, the man spoke again, When America goes to war with China, the Russians will strike without warning. ...Without a doubt, together, we can destroy America. The president of Russia began to speak insistently, Why let ourselves be led by the Americans? Why not rule the world ourselves? They have to be kicked out of Europe, too! ...You must tell them what is being planned against America. Then, when it comes to pass, the people will remember the words the Lord has spoken. Thomas Gibson- ...Terrorism in Canada and in the United States will not go away until after I have brought about the Russian-Chinese invasion... Stephen Hanson-June 3, 2000-...The Lord said, There is a war, which is coming upon this land of America. There are those who would come upon the walls, and the outskirts of this land. Sound the alarm and raise the trumpets. Stephen Hanson-October 9, 2004-...This world is headed for a big change. I tell you that the war in Iraq will be transformed into a war with someone else. Those who have watched are also those who have prepared. I tell you that North Korea is building an arsenal, and they are also in league with China...Plans are being made... Thomas Gibson-This force that will come against them(America) is the power of the demon of Russia. This force will come upon them without any warning. It will be as though they had peace in their hands, and absolute peace, that would rule the world, But then, the destruction of World War III will intervene... Thomas Gibson-February 7, 2001-...The following things will occur during the years known as the war years. Thus, says the Lord, Coming is the Russian invasion throughout Canada and most of the U.S. You will see a significant invasion of foreign forces. During this time, the United States will be brought to its knees. Stephen Hanson-June 2, 2004-...I tell you that I have provided places of refuge for My people. A devastation is coming that will spread across the land. I tell you that your land will be trampled upon by foreigners. For the walls of protection will not prevent these things from coming. I will be a refuge for My people. Great hordes and armies are coming. They come from the East and they make plans for war. An ancient land they come from. I tell you that China will join forces with Russia. http://apnews.myway.com/article/20041213/D86US5QO0.html CHINA, RUSSIA WILL HOLD FIRST WAR GAMES By Joe McDonald Beijing (AP)- China and Russia will hold their first joint military exercise next year, the Chinese government said Monday, as President Hu Jintao called for an expansion of the rapidly growing alliance between the former Cold War rivals. ...The exercises are to take place on Chinese territory, the official China News Service said. But that report and other government statements didn't say when they would take place or what forces would be involved. We want...to promote the development of the two countries' strategic collaborative relationship in order to safeguard and promote regional and world peace, CNS quoted Hu as telling Ivanov. Beijing and Moscow have built up military and political ties since the Soviet collapse in 1991, driven in part by a joint desire to counterbalance U.S. global dominance. They are partners of the six-nation Shanghai Cooperation Organization, formed to combat what they consider the common threat of Islamic extremism and separatism. The other members are the former Soviet republics of Uzbekistan, Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan and Tajikistan. ...China has become the Russians arms industry's No. 1 customer, and is expected to buy $2 billion in weapons this year. Russia is a key supplier for the Chinese military's effort to modernize its arsenal and back up frequent threats to invade Taiwan, the self-ruled island that Beijing claims as its territory. The United States and the European Union have banned weapons sales to China since its bloody 1989 crackdown on pro-democracy protesters. But Moscow has supplied Beijing with high-performance Su-27 fighters and other top-of-the-line arms... | ||
| Robert Scott Glenning Username: mrglenning Registered: 11-2003 |
I haven't read every post under this heading, so it might have been discussed already been. Is the China/Russian invassion of the US going to take place in the tribulation (1st half) or the great tribulation (part of the 2 half) of the final 7 years? | ||
| Raul Delgado |
Robert, first let me say that Roy offers a very convincing and compelling case for WW3 to start after the Abomination of Desolation, which signifies the start of the Great Tribulation. He wrote a great article on this. And I'm sure he will be glad to respond to your question, as well. Personally, I see a slightly different scenario. I think that WW3 will come in stages or battles. I believe that the first battle will occur here in North America, which is the Russian/Chinese invasion. Then, in the midst of this war, Anti-Christ will come on the scene on June 6, 2006 per prophecies by Stephen Hanson. He will come and deceive many with his abilities and ideas. But, first and foremost, he will secure PEACE (albeit a false peace) between those countries at war. It is likely that he will be elected first as "President of Europe" and thus head of the E.U. and then later, he will become world dictator. I think that he will commit the Abomination of Desolation sometime in the spring of 2007. This marks the start of his 42 months or 3 1/2 years reign of terror. Soon after that, the second stage or battle of WW3 ensues overseas. After having crippled the U.S., the enemy will then make its move on Israel. By this time, America will no longer be able to protect Israel after having been devasted, but not completely destroyed. | ||
| Robert Scott Glenning Username: mrglenning Registered: 11-2003 |
Raul, I agree with Roy, on the Abomination of Desolation. I personall think that the final 7 year period will start next year,2005. I whole heartly believe in the pre-0wrath rapture. I don't really like to set dates. I also feel the antichrist will be Prince Charles, although this point is really speculation. Oh yeah, the name is Scott...I didnt see the Robert when I hit "post". | ||
| Raul Delgado |
Scott, I would like to elaborate on my above posting and give my reasons why I believe in that scenario. Thomas Gibson prophecied on December 1995 the following: "...In the year of 2005 you will have yet to see this war. But it will then be but a few moments in time, by the Spirit, till you will see it..." "...Now as this war comes to an end, there will be another fear on the earth like has never been before..." "...I said there will come a time of heart's failing for fear. This will not be the time, but it will be a prelude to this time. The fear of war, which will rise up at this time, will be so strong that every politician will be overcome by this fear, and will try to appease the people with any kind of peace agreement, no matter how ridiculous it may seem. They will sign anything, as long as they can use it to convince the people war will never happen again. This is the tool satan will use to bring about total world power in one being, in one place, says the Lord God. So as this will come to an end, the war years, there will come a new peace upon this earth for a very short time. This will be the true time of peace, peace. For they will shout it loud and long. They will not only be afraid of the peace that is not to be, but they will be afraid of their own peace accords, because they will know deep down that their own peace accords will result in another world war!" So, here it seems as though it is saying that the Russian/Chinese invasion will come first and then the Anti-Christ will rise in power. Then, after that, another world war occurs. Now, this is what Stephen Hanson has prophecied about the anti-christ. March 24, 2004-"I tell you that it is a short time before the anti-christ figure comes upon the scene. He will exalt himself above all others. I tell you that when they say "peace and safety" then beware, for that is when the real deception comes..." "...Then, out of a middle-eastern country he will come. He will promise peace to many, but I tell you that peace will be far from his campaign..." August 2, 2004-"...But these tidal waves will not be as a result of natural phenomenon, but they will rise because of an attack---and you America will fall to your knees. And when these things come, you will know that I warned you beforehand. Then in the midst of this turmoil a leader (anti-christ) will stand up. He will promise world peace. He will claim and promise many things, but do not believe him. His fate is sealed. Behold...I come quickly." June 30, 2003-"The beginning of the reign of the anti-christ will be happening during the year 2006..." Sept. 11, 2004-"...When the world is at unrest and looking for a leader, then he (anti-christ) will come. I tell you that the days are hastening forward to these events. He will be looked upon as a new world leader..." "When the next war erupts, then soon afterwards he will make himself known. By the summer of 2006 he will have made himself known. 666 corresponds with this time as well. I tell you that you have no more than five years before everything is accomplished. Oct. 17, 2004-"...Remember that I've told you that the figure would arise who exalts himself. He will arise and will make himself known during the summer of 2006. The number that speaks of him also corresponds with that time-frame. Remember those numbers, for they speak of June 6, 2006 (06-06-06). But I will not leave you comfortless. Blessed is he who does not give into the beast, but follows My spirit in these days." Ok, now, the beast arises on that date while this great war is taking place and then he secures a short peace (a false one). He will grow more and more popular with the world and more powerful. People will cry out, "Peace and Safety", but then in the spring of 2007, he enters the temple and declares himself to be "God" (the Abomination of Desolation). Now, the reason I say the spring of 2007 is because of the "End of Days" Matrix by Roy, which is about the battle of Armageddon. So, the anti-christ reigns his allotted 42 months or 3 1/2 years from the spring of 2007 to the fall of 2010. At that time, our King of Kings and Lord of Lords comes back with the heavenly hosts and the anti-christ and his sidekick, the false prophet, are captured and thrown into the fiery lake of burning sulfur. Notice in one of Stephen's above prophecies he says, "...you have no more than five years before everything is accomplished." He said this on Sept. 11, 2004. This gives a time-frame of the fall 2004 to the fall of 2009. Someone might ask, "What about 2010?" Well, that particular prophecy might be directed specifically to Christians, meaning that the Rapture will take place no later than the fall of 2009 and then we will come back with the Lord for the battle of Armageddon in the fall of 2010 per Roy's matrix. | ||
| Robert Scott Glenning Username: mrglenning Registered: 11-2003 |
Ok, before I respond, I want to re-read and ponder the proposed senerio. Also, I've heard of Hanson before, also Gibson. You said that Hanson said before the end of the year, Bin Laden would be caught. Was that year 2002? There seems to be a little problem. With the above senerio, I think you might missing part of the time of the 7 years. You need a full 7 years to complete the final Biblical time frame of Daniel 9:24-27. | ||
| Raul Delgado |
Scott, thank you for your response. Stephen Hanson gave that prophecy on March 24, 2004 -"Osama bin Laden will be found out by the end of the year(2004)..." Again, let me say that the scenario I purposed is just speculative on my part. I've been brainstorming these things for awhile now. About the 7 year period, perhaps we're in it already?? Or maybe there is another explanation concerning this prophetic week of Daniel? There are pieces of the prophetic puzzle that are coming into place, but sure, there are missing ones as well. One more thing, I also think that when this prophetic puzzle is fully completed, alot of prophecy students will discover that prophetic events unfolded in a different fashion than they first envisioned. Some more than others. The good news is that God knows it all and He is in control. We just have to continue believing and trusting in Him. | ||
| terry Username: terry Registered: 4-2004 |
Also, Thomas Gibson has issued this message on his site today: "2004 12 29.1 For thus saith the Lord. I have used this format of the internet through this prophet to warn of what is to come. I have used this format to warn of what shall shortly take place. This is the end of the use of this format through this prophet. It is not the end of his work, but it is the end of this era. Prepare to see the work of the hand of God. The time is close for the release of judgments, and to some extent, has already begun. So pray and fast, seeking the ways of God through obedience, humility, and love." Interesting. What has always bothered me about his words is that they focus so heavily on the U.S. and do not appear to consider God's judgements on the world as a whole. Granted, this may be the focus God wanted to concentrate on through him, but look at the world around us. I certainly don't mean that as a criticism of Mr. Gibson. Current estimates for the earthquake/tidal wave in south asia puts the death toll at or near 100,000 and many more are likely to die from disease as a result of the disaster. Swarms of locusts have struck several areas of the middle east recently, and it is snowing in Los Angeles now and snowed in coastal Texas a few weeks ago. It's true, Americans must turn to God, but with most of Europe being secular and most of the rest of the world being either secular or worshipping false gods, we also need to look at the big picture and see God's hand at work around the globe. The signs of the end times are not all going to be in the U.S. I know there are many Americans on this board, and a few Canadians, and Europeans (anyone else?), and I just want to ask all of you to join me in prayer for the whole world. Wherever people gather in prayer, God responds. | ||
| roy Username: roy Registered: 11-2003 |
Raul, I think I've said this to you before, but you are going about this whole process of understanding what is to come as spoken through prophets in the exactly correct way. First, one has to discern who is speaking from God and who is not. (I guess 3 categories are good--1. definitely from God, 2. Maybe, 3. Appears to not be from God.). The next step is to piece together all the relevant prophecies by topic from all reliable prophets to form a greater overall revelation. Why? Because God our Father does not give everything through one person. So one has to piece together the prophecies to get the more complete prophetic picture. Raul, that's the part you are doing correctly. Since Thomas Gibson has notified his list that there won't be any more prophecies going out by e-mail, it might be good to make a folder on your computer and download all the prophecies given through Thomas to that folder, from his website. Since much of the prophecies are still future, it will be well worthwhile to go through them again and note prophecies on specific topics. Terry, It always seemed to me that Thomas was called to be a prophet to Canada and the USA. Most prophets are called to prophesy to their specific nation. Someone from a Caribbean nation e-mailed me once and asked, "why is there no prophet for our nation, does God only care about the USA and Canada and Israel?" My answer was that He does care about every nation and people have been called and rejected God and their calling. If their are no believers in that nation, then you can understand why there is no Word going forth. Terry, God sends rain on the just and unjust, but He reserves His best for His people. | ||
| Michael |
"August 2, 2004-...But these tidal waves will not be as a result of natural phenomenon, but they will rise because of an attack---and you America will fall to your knees. And when these things come, you will know that I warned you beforehand." Anyone else find this interesting? This was posted prior to Christmas, 2004? In August? Can someone post a link to the site that has this prophecy of Hanson's? | ||
| terry Username: terry Registered: 4-2004 |
Michael, like you, I have a problem claiming someone is a "prophet" - although I am willing to accept that they are. The Bible instructs us to use discernment in these matters. However, the basis of their teachings are sound. People, all people, should repent and turn to God. Nations are too secular, and there is a lot of trouble in the world. No great surprises have been revealed by saying any of those things. Nor is it a revelation to suggest that God may lift the veil of protection from us from time to time and allow bad things to happen. Again, I'm not trying to denounce anyone, because I think their teachings are genuine, but it is human nature to insert your own feelings and beliefs into what you say. I have no doubt that God has spoken to these men. He has spoken to me, you, and everyone at some point. However, sometimes people who speak to God will feel strongly about something and believe that is also from God. Clearly, the "prophet" who claimed God told him that Kerry would win, was wrong. God may have told him many things, but obviously that was not one of them. No doubt, whoever taught that felt strongly that it would happen, but were mistaking their own feelings with God's word. For the record, I had a "feeling" Bush would win convincingly and said so on this board. Although God has told me specific things before, that was just my belief, not a prophecy. That's why God tells us to check prophecy against his word. Vague apocalyptic prophecies cannot be checked. The Bible teaches that natural disasters and plagues will happen. So, if you say "God told me there would be an earthquake and tidal wave", you are bound to be correct at some point. When you say "God told me that there would be an earthquake and tidal wave in Sri Lanka in 2004" and that happens, you have spoken a prophecy. A lot of people falsely claim Nostradamus was a prophet. But you can take vague verse and retroactively assign meaning to it to fit events. As to your post of August 2, 2004 it can be found here: Stephen Hansen You'll have to scroll down to the proper date. However, he is predicting an attack on the U.S. that causes waves, not a natural disaster in the Indian ocean. Interestingly, people were pondering on Fox News today whether our coastlines are safe from such a thing. I hope it doesn't happen, certainly, but it could. Unlike a tornado or hurricane, we cannot track such things for days. Earthquakes begin and end in a matter of minutes. I have no doubt that there will be an attack on the U.S. at some point. However, until that happens and it specifically causes a tidal wave, Hansen's words cannot be proven or disproven. The greatest gift men like Hansen and Gibson give us, in my opinion, is that they remind us that we all have strayed and should strive to have a better relationship with the Father. I do believe God speaks to them but nothing they say should be placed above your own dialogue with the Father. Feel free to disagree and debate. That's the beauty of this board. We all learn from each other as we learn about each other. I enjoy taking a contrary opinion just to stimulate conversation on a point. I can't say whether either of these men are true prophets any more than any of the rest of us, but I do value the lessons I learn from what they say. | ||
| Michael |
That Steven Hanson published a "prophecy" (whether actually prophetic or not of course remains to be seen), regarding unnatural tidal waves being used as a weapon to attack a country, any country, is a very striking thing, to me at least. Particularly in light of the now-over-100,000-and-still-rising death toll due to a... tidal wave. If one were to run with this, to do a bit of speculation, I suppose such a "weapon" (if it could be called such) would have to be tested somehow. Has it been decisively determined just where the epicenter of the 9.0 earthquake, or assumed earthquake, that precipitated the tsunami was located? That might be telling. I'll google this to see what comes up. | ||
| Michael |
The closest city to the epicenter that I could locate is Banda Aceh, northern Sumatra, controlled by Islamic separatists. Here's an excerpt of an article that I found: Worse to Come by Far Eastern Economic Review teams, July 29, 1999 "Renewed separatist attacks in Aceh pose a serious challenge to Indonesian unity. Rebellion is seriously brewing in Aceh province. With an overseas arms supply, substantial funding and popular support, the Aceh Merdeka movement could pose a threat much worse than East Timor's separatist struggle. By John McBeth in Jakarta, Syamsul Indrapatra in Banda Aceh, Nate Thayer in Bangkok and Bertil Lintner in Stockholm When the Dutch colonialists came back to Indonesia after World War II, there was one part of the sprawling archipelago they made no effort to reoccupy: the lush, mountainous territory of Aceh, in the far north of Sumatra. Trying to pacify the proud and fiercely independent Acehnese, the Dutch had learned from long and bloody experience, would be just too hard and too costly. It is a lesson the Indonesian government has yet to absorb. More than four decades after self-styled military governor Daud Beureu'eh led a nine-year campaign to turn Aceh into an independent Islamic state, the province is again in turmoil. In the past two months, with separatist guerrillas intensifying an offensive going back to the start of the year, more than 120 people have been killed, hundreds of state schools and other public buildings have been burned, and 70,000 refugees driven into improvised camps along the northern coast. Indonesian military sources say the resurgent Aceh-Sumatra National Liberation Front, also known as Aceh Merdeka (Free Aceh), now has more than 800 men under arms--four times as many as in the early 1990s when a brutal government crackdown left a bitter legacy of summary executions and mass graves. Many of the guerrillas' weapons have been smuggled through Thailand and Malaysia from the now-silent battlefields of Cambodia--a pipeline that also feeds Sri Lanka's Tamil Tigers, Sikh separatists in India and Muslim guerrillas in the southern Philippines. Aceh Merdeka is also believed to be well funded--not only by local sympathizers, but by Acehnese businessmen in Malaysia and southern Thailand." (Looks like the pipeline of weaponry leads back to the usual suspects. Nothing to indicate anything remotely advanced, though - Michael) | ||
| Raul Delgado |
Roy, thank you for your words of encouragement and direction. A few years ago, I sought the Lord and asked Him in what capacity could I serve Him. Soon after, a new pastor at the church I was attending at that time developed a computer program that helped identify the gifts a person had. It turned out that my gifts were more concentrated in the prophetic area. Then, sometime after that, Stephen Hanson gave me a personal word and said to me that the Lord was about to open my Spiritual ears in order to be better able to hear His voice and that then He would use me in the prophetic in some way. Up to now, He has used me to share prophecy with people from different socio-economic backgrounds, from the barely literate to college professors. There is a verse in Habakkuk 2:2-3 which reads, "Write down the revelation and make it plain on tablets so that a herald may run with it. For the revelation awaits an appointed time; it speaks of the end and will not prove false. Though it linger, wait for it; it will cetainly come and will not delay." I feel as though I am one of those heralds which first hears and discerns the revelation and then turns around and shares it with those whom the Lord puts in my path. | ||
| Michael |
A "tsunami bomb" apparently is not such a new idea, see Project Seal. | ||
| terry Username: terry Registered: 4-2004 |
Roy, I just saw your message about prophets being called to their own land. Makes sense. Michael, it is frightening to think someone could use a "tsunami bomb" on the U.S. (or anywhere). Like in the current situation, it would likely have more effect (deaths) if used in the summer, when people are at the beach and unprotected. Also, keep in mind that Sri Lanka is not the U.S. Buildings here are built to withstand a lot more than some of the huts along the coasts of india and asia. I'll float the article to a friend in the defense department, and see if the idea is even being batted around hypothetically. | ||
| roy Username: roy Registered: 11-2003 |
Michael & Terry, Both the USA and Russia have developed plans to use planted underwater nukes places along where two plates are colliding. The thought is, to blow a couple of nukes and release the pent up pressure along the tectonic plates and thus causing a massive earthquake and tsumani. Some have postulated that HAARP or the Russian equivalent could have been used. I think that's not as likely, since mainly HAARP has been used to control weather (many people think that the 4 large hurricanes that struck Florida were the result of HAARP or the Russian equivalent). It almost looked like someone was driving a couple of them (odd stops and starts to the hurricanes). Whether HAARP or the Russian equivalent could be used to inject energy along a fault line (and maybe precipitate an earthquake) is more than I can fathom at this point. In other words, I don't understand how atmospheric heating can inject energy into a fault line. | ||
| Craig |
Hello everyone. New guy here. After reading this thread, it seemed to me that the vision of Dumitru Duduman was right in line with this discussion. CHINA AND RUSSIA STRIKE -- April 22, 1996 I saw the president of RUSSIA, a short, chubby man, who said he was the president of CHINA, and two others. The last two also said where they were from, but I did not understand. However, I gathered they were part of Russian controlled territory. The men stepped out of the cloud. The Russian president began to speak to the Chinese one. "I will give you the land with all the people, but you must free TAIWAN of the Americans. Do not fear, we will attack them from behind." A voice said to me, "Watch where the RUSSIANS penetrate America." I saw these words being written: ALASKA; MINNESOTA; FLORIDA. Then, the man spoke again, "When America goes to war with China, the Russians will strike without warning." The other two presidents spoke, "We, too, will fight for you." Each had a place already planned as a point of attack. All of them shook hands and hugged. Then they all signed a contract. One of them said, "We're sure that KOREA and CUBA will be on our side, too. Without a doubt, together, we can destroy America." The president of Russia began to speak insistently, "Why let ourselves be led by the Americans? Why not rule the world ourselves? They have to be kicked out of Europe, too! Then I could do as I please with Europe!" The man standing beside me asked, "This is what you saw: they act as friends, and say they respect the treaties made together. But everything I've shown you is how it will REALLY happen. You must tell them what is being planned against AMERICA. Then, when it comes to pass, the people will remember the words the Lord has spoken." Who are you?" I asked. "I am the protector of America. AMERICA'S sin has reached God. He will allow this destruction, for He can no longer stand such wickedness. God however, still has people that worship Him with a clean heart as they do His work. He has prepared a heavenly army to save these people." As I looked, a great army, well armed and dressed in white, appeared before me. Related news clips http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/2004-12/28/content_2388505.htm http://www.themoscowtimes.com/stories/2004/12/28/013.html http://www.etaiwannews.com/Taiwan/Society/2004/12/28/1104198711.htm http://www.taipeitimes.com/News/taiwan/archives/2004/12/28/2003217025 http://www.themoscowtimes.com/stories/2004/12/28/043.html | ||
| terry Username: terry Registered: 4-2004 |
Craig, and everyone, check out this story: tsunami The decision to pray certainly paid off. | ||
| Craig |
China - Russia News Russia increases 2005 military budget China and Turkey dicuss military cooperation Venezuelan Oil war between China and the West – Chavez gives China free access to oil resources Falling US Economy News Greenback slide longest since 1987 | ||
| Michael |
Anyone ever heard of this guy? Died in 1959, German I think, regarded as having been a prophet by some, devout Catholic. He touches upon a weapon being used upon or within the oceans in order to inundate coastlines. The Prophecies Of Alois Irlmaier (1894-1959) Everything calls peace. Schalom! Then it will occur -- a new Middle East war suddenly flares up, big naval forces are facing hostility in the Mediterranean -- the situation is strained. But the actual firing spark is set on fire in the Balkans: I see a 'large one' falling, a bloody dagger lies beside him -- then impact is on impact. Two men kill a third high-ranked. They were paid by other people. One of the murderers is a small black man, the other a little bit taller, with bright-coloured hair. I think it will be at the Balkans, but I cannot say it exactly. After the murder of the third it starts overnight. I see quite clearly three numbers, two eights and a nine. But I cannot say what it means and cannot state a time. The war begins at sunrise. He comes along very rapidly. The farmers sit in the pub playing cards, when the foreign soldiers look through the windows and doors. Quite black an army comes from the east, but however everything occurs very rapidly. I see a three, but I do not know if it means three days or three weeks. Massed units march from the East into Belgrade and move forward into Italy. Thereafter three armoured wedges immediately advance with lightning speed in the north of the Danube over West Germany towards the Rhine - without preliminary warning. This will occur so unexpectedly that the population flees full of panic to the west. Many cars clog the roads - if they had stayed at home or would have not used the main streets. Everything, which will be an obstacle for the rapidly advancing tanks on high-speed motorways and other fast motorways, will be down-rolled. I cannot see the Danube bridges above Regensburg anymore. Hardly anything remains of the big city Frankfurt. The Rhine Valley will be devastated, mainly by air. I see three spearheads coming. The Russian does not stop anywhere, while running in his three wedges. Day and night they run in order to reach the Ruhr-district, where the many furnaces and fireplaces are. Day and night the Russians run, inexorably their target is the Ruhr-district. Immediately the revenge comes from across the large water. However the yellow dragon invades in Alaska and Canada at the same time. But he comes not far. And then it rains a yellow dust in a line. When the golden city is destroyed, it begins. Like a yellow line it goes up to the city in the bay. It will be a clear night, when they begin to throw it. The tanks are still driving, but those who sit in these tanks become quite black. Where it falls down, everything will become quite dead, no tree, no bush, no cattle, no grass, this becomes withered and black. The houses still exist. I don't know what it is and so I cannot tell it. It is a long line. Who goes over this line, dies. Then everything in the spearheads breaks down. Nobody will come back anymore. The airplanes drop a yellow powder between the Black Sea and the North Sea. Thus a death strip is created, straight from the Black Sea to the North Sea, as wide as half of Bavaria. In this zone no grass can grow let alone humans live. The Russian supply is interrupted. From the east there are many caterpillars. But in the caterpillars everybody is already dead, although the vehicles keep rolling on, in order to gradually stop automatic. At the Rhine the attack is finally repelled. From the three spearheads no soldier will come home anymore. The pilots throw off their small black boxes. They do explode, before they touch the soil, and spread a yellow or green smoke or dust. What comes into contact with this becomes dead, whether it is human, animal or plant. For one year no organism is allowed to enter this area, otherwise it will expose itself to the largest mortal danger... These boxes are satanic. When they explode, a yellow or green dust or smoke arises, everything that comes in contact to it, is dead. The humans become quite black and the meat falls off their bones, so sharply is the poison. Nobody from these three armies will come home anymore. Then I see someone flying, coming from the east, who drops something into the large water, so that something strange will happen. The water lifts itself as high as a tower and falls down, then everything is inundated. The whole action will not last long, I see three lines - three days, three weeks, three months, I don't know exactly but it won't last long. There is an earthquake. The southern part of England slips into the water. One part disappears, when the thing falls into the sea...The countries at the sea are endangered of the water heavily, the waves go high as a house; it foams, as if it would boil. Islands disappear. A part of the proud island sinks, if the thing falls into the sea, which the pilot drops. Then the water lifts itself as high as a tower and falls down. What this thing is, I do not know. When it comes, I do not know. During the war the big darkness comes, which last 72 hours. It will become dark at a day during the war. Then a hail impact, consisting of lightening and thunder, breaks out and an earthquake vibrates the earth. Please do not go out of the house at this time. The lights do not burn, except candle light, the current stops. Who inhales the dust, gets a cramp and dies. Do not open the windows, cover it completely with black paper...Outside the death by dust goes around, many humans die. After 72 hours everything is over. But again: Do not go out of the house, do not look out of the windows, and keep the candle light burning. And pray. Overnight there will die more humans than in the two world wars before. Do not open the windows during the 72 hours. The cattle falls, the grass becomes yellow and dry, the humans will become quite yellow and black. The wind drives the clouds of death off to the east. The city with the iron tower (Eiffel Tower) becomes the victim of its own people. They ignite everything. Revolution is, and everything is going wildly. The large city with the iron tower is on fire. But this has been done by its own people, not by those who came from the east. And in Italy it is going wildly too. They kill many people there and the Pope flees, but many clergymen will be killed, many churches collapse. In Russia a revolution breaks out and a civil war. The corpses are so much that you cannot remove them off the roads anymore. The large ones among the party leaders commit suicide and in the blood the great guilty is washed off...I see a red mass mixed with yellow faces, it is a general riot and horrible killing. The cross comes to honours anew. The Russian people believe in God anew. They sing the Easter song and burn candles in front of sacred pictures. By the prayers of Christianity the monster from hell dies; also the young people believe anew in the intercession of the God's mother. If everything is over, a part of the inhabitants have died, and the people are frightened of God anew. The laws, which bring death to the children, become invalid. Then peace will be. A good time. The Pope, who had not to flee across the water for a long time, returns. When the flowers bloom in the meadows, he will return and mourn for his murdered brothers. After these events a long, lucky time comes. But the people have to begin there, where their grandfathers began. | ||
| terry Username: terry Registered: 4-2004 |
Michael, here's a good article that discusses Irlmaier. Irlmaier | ||
| Robert Scott Glenning Username: mrglenning Registered: 11-2003 |
I forgot how to start a thread, so I am posting this here.I am a pentecostal. I do not say this to cause a division, but to say that I occasionally see the event of this question. Question: What is your opion of being "slain in the Spirit"? I just did a quick search...the results, questioned it being real to demonic. My opion is, in MOST cases, it is a human event. By this, usually another person is standing behind the person when "the fall"., so there is no fear of being hurt. They fall, for what ever reason, some think it is what you are suppose to do, especially if the minister is pushing your forehead back, and some DO. So may think , that they are more spiritual, or are seen that way. The question was asked of by, causally, by a deacon to get my opion and I ask you this question to see what you think. I don't know if this happens in any other country...but it does happen here (too much). | ||
| terry Username: terry Registered: 4-2004 |
Without wishing to stir things up too much, I'll just say that there are a lot of things that are done, as you say, because "some think it is what you are suppose to do". There is a common claim in some churches of fillings being replaced in teeth with silver or gold and flakes of gold showering on people. Of course, no one has documented that either, but people claim it because they think it is what they are supposed to do and because it will make others think their faith is strong. There was a church near here that claimed the gold showers and fillings but neither turned out to be true. It seems there is peer pressure even in the world of proclaiming miracles. I've seen real miracles in the church, and among people of faith, but religion is not theatre and Jesus is not a magic act. I think there are a lot of things that serve to distract people from God's real miracles. Certainly, a person can be overcome by the presence of the Lord, but I don't think it happens every time a preacher does his little shazam gesture. If you are having doubts about it, my suggestion is that you pray over it. Ask God to reveal himself to you and guide you. Best wishes for the New Year. May God bless all of you. | ||
| Craig |
Steven Hanson - Prophecy unfulfilled www.angelfire.com/in/HisTruth/section41.html "I tell you that things are going to be changing for the world over the next few months and year. For government systems will take on a new change of direction. Osama Bin Ladin will be found out by the end of the year. His capture will be good for the minds of many of the American people, but many in his original country will mourn for his capture. ..........." Unless they are keeping it a secret, Osama Bin Ladin has not been found by the end of the year 2004. Is not a sign of a TRUE prophet 100% accuracy????? Deuteronomy 18:22 (King James Version) "When a prophet speaketh in the name of the LORD, if the thing follow not, nor come to pass, that is the thing which the LORD hath not spoken, but the prophet hath spoken it presumptuously: thou shalt not be afraid of him." | ||
| Blake |
It could be that he will just be "found out" by the end of the year, in other words, they will know exactly where he is. Then his capture will be sometime soon. That could explain why they just announced in Pakistan that they are no longer sending their troops into the area where Osama supposedly has been hiding, even though they still are. | ||
| roy Username: roy Registered: 11-2003 |
Craig & Scott & Blake, That's a good insight Blake. When one reads the Hanson prophecy, we assume that the sentence with "found out" and the next sentence "his capture" happen at the same time. However, they don't have to be coincident; the second sentence can follow the first by a short time. So...the governments "finding out" exactly where he's at could happen in 2004 and his capture shortly afterwards in early 2005, and the prophecy still be true. If he is not captured early in 2005, then it brings doubt to my mind that the governments actually knew where he was precisely, in 2004. Therefore, I'm not ready to say it was a false prophecy. | ||
| rick Username: rick Registered: 1-2004 |
To All another thought on time in the above post... Was Hansen speaking in our Gregorian time... Jan1-dec31... or is he possibly talking about Gods Years and time frames, as given to the Sons of Abraham. 1 Tish etc... ? presently 5765, started this last september... | ||
| terry Username: terry Registered: 4-2004 |
One would imagine that a "prophet" who is sent to speak to a specific group would speak to them in their own terminology. Hansen is alive today, and we use the current calendar to measure time. Maybe he was just wrong? Maybe God never told him that. | ||
| roy Username: roy Registered: 11-2003 |
Rick & Terry, We'll have to wait and see if Bin Laden is captured shortly. Meanwhile, I think it is premature to say it is a false prophecy. If it turns out to be false, I have no problem saying so, but I am also troubled that many people leap to the conclusion that any prophet is a false prophet. They did that all through the Bible, and thus missed the knowledge at the time that could have helped them. Maybe people have never changed. On the other hand, Yeshua (Jesus) warned us in the Olivet Discourse that in the End Times there would be many false prophets and false messiahs. I have been getting e-mails from many of them (over 12 who claim to be Elijah, at least 5 who claim to be Moses, many who claim to be "the prophet" for the end times, and recently a person who claims to be the reincarnation of Adam, Enoch, Jacob, etc.) Sometimes I wonder why these people all contact me? I guess it is because I have a website and they can get my e-mail address there. | ||
| Michael |
Returning to the tsunami and the Hanson "prophecy" of unnatural tidal waves, I have read that the depth of this Sumatran earthquake was unusually shallow, 2.5 miles. I don't know if this is significant of anything or not. The other earthquakes in that region, those that I could locate at least, tended to be 20 or more miles beneath the surface of the earth. | ||
| Blake |
Like 21:25 There will be signs in the sun and moon and stars, and on the earth dismay among nations, in perplexity at the roaring of the sea and waves, men fainting from fear and the expectation for the things which are coming upon the world, for the powers of the heavens will be shaken. They've discovered recently that these major earthquakes occur when the earth, moon, and sun are aligned in some way. This earthquake was predicted to happen within about 20 minutes from when it actually happened. This scripture seems to fit well here. | ||
| terry Username: terry Registered: 4-2004 |
MrGlenning, that would be hilarious. I'd be a bit hesitant to give them an outlet for their rants though. There was a young man a few years ago who posted a website detailing his identity as the antichrist. As it turns out, he was a very disturbed young man who needed help. Perhaps Roy could share a "best of" list of their work. haha. Roy, I agree that it is disturbing that people automatically dismiss any claim of prophecy. I think it is, perhaps, human nature to be wary of such claims. You should be wary, but not dismissive. My point is that a person can be a prophet without us expecting every word they say to be of Holy importance. What if Daniel had been delivering a message while eating a sandwich and he stopped to say "Hey, this turkey sandwich is great"? Part of what he said may have been prophetic, but I would hope that wouldn't mean there would be a segment of followers who would then begin to think turkey sandwiches were a mandate from God. Anyway, just being silly with a point. People have opinions. Just because Hanson may have been wrong on the OBL point doesn't mean God never spoke through him. However, he may have felt strongly that he was correct but mistook his own strong feeling for a word from the Father. That's understandable. What I can't understand is the resistance to the idea that he could be wrong about it. I'll admit that I am sceptical when I see the word prophet thrown around. However, I have no doubt that God speaks through people. I'd venture to say that he has spoken to all of us. You make a very good point about the Olivet Discourse. We should listen to prophecy, but we should also evaluate it for accuracy. I have developed a great interest in eschatology and prophecy thanks partially to reading these boards. But, if you do a simple google search for prophecy, you will find some very strange, and many unbiblical, things associated with the word "prophet". There is nothing wrong with proceeding with caution. I'm sure you would agree. Anyway, thanks for building this place where we can all come together and discuss such things. I have enjoyed reading and learning from everyone here. Consider giving us some highlights of the emails you have gotten. | ||
| roy Username: roy Registered: 11-2003 |
I attended the first presentation tonight, of Michael Rood and Nehemyah Gordon from Israel, on their new USA tour. It was in Denver. It was a great presentation. They are going to be in various cities across the USA in the next 4-6 weeks. Nehemyah Gordon is a Karaite Jew (formerly ultra-orthodox) and the subject was on the original Hebrew text of the book of Matthew (Shem Tov manuscript). They thoroughly proved to me that the Hebrew is the original manuscript for the book of Matthew (and not the Peshitta Aramaic or Greek). It was a 4-hour presentation. Karaite Jews differ from Ultra-Orthodox in that Karaites only follow the scriptures and not rabbinic man-made decrees/rules. The reason this issue is important to me, is that as a Bible codes researcher, I want to investigate the New Testament for codes. Our 5-person team did that in the Greek for 2.5 years and we determined that there were no codes there in the Greek. So I and perhaps 10 others have been investigating the Peshitta Aramaic NT for codes for a couple of years with some promising but preliminary results. It's also important because if the Hebrew for the book of Matthew is the original then it can shed clearer light on the prophecies in the book of Matthew. | ||
| Blake |
Roy, I found the information for it online and found one at Amazon and just bought it. It was very expensive. I've never in my life paid that much for a book. Here is the info. about it: The Hebrew Gospel of Matthew by Shem Tov and translated by George Howard. [Mercer University Press, Georgia, USA] available from Amazon Books. I don't know how you can use it for codes research unless you spend the time to type it all, creating an electronic version. But if you think you can use it, I'll send it on to you after I've looked at it for awhile. | ||
| Blake |
With the one at Amazon, they show the table of contents and some of the pages in it. The Hebrew text is included. This book has the same ISBN number as the one at the Mercer website, so I would think it would be identical. I haven't received a confirmation of the cancellation yet, so they may end up sending it to me, so then I can compare them. Of coarse if they do send it to me, I can still send it back to them for a refund. If you can find an electronic version... please, please, please let me know. | ||
| Blake |
This book really is different from the others. I found this page that compares it to other texts and listed to examples below: http://rosetta.reltech.org/TC/vol03/Petersen1998a.html Matt 28:19-20 In Shem-Tob's Hebrew Matthew, the "Great Commission" becomes: "Go and teach them to carry out all the things which I have commanded you forever." No mention is made of "making disciples of all nations," nor does Jesus promise to be "with you always, even unto the end of the world." Matt 24:40-41 The standard Greek text reads: 40 Then two will be in the field; the one is taken, and the other is left. 41 Two women are grinding in the mill; the one is taken, and the other is left. Shem-Tob, however, reads: 40 Then if there shall be two ploughing in a field, one righteous and the other evil, the one will be taken and the other left. 41 Two women will be grinding at a mill; one will be taken and the other left. This is because the angels at the end of the world will remove the stumbling blocks from the world and will separate the good from the evil. | ||
| Craig |
Source of Hebrew name for United States remains a mystery By: Dr. Aaron Lerner Published: January 11, 2005 The United States is called "Lands of the Covenant" (Artzot Habrit) in Hebrew. It is commonly thought that this name was given in order to avoid confusion with the Hebrew name for the United Nations. However, IMRA asked Israel Radio's "Moment of Hebrew" program for the source of the name. It turns out that the term appears in Hebrew papers as early as 1857 - in the Hamagid L'Israel weekly. http://web.israelinsider.com/Articles/Briefs/4786.htm | ||
| roy Username: roy Registered: 11-2003 |
Craig, Good point. Of course Jacob (Israel) prophesied over his sons before his death. Ephraim was to become a company of nations and Manasseh a great nation (Genesis 48:20). Further, in Genesis 49:22-26 Joseph (Ephraim and Manasseh) was to receive a double portion blessing. Ephraim is England and the USA is Manasseh. The company of nations was the British Empire. The great nation is the USA. In the same way, Britain is from "brit am", meaning people of the covenant. Both Stephen M. Collins book and Yair Davidy's books decisively show this to be true (all I mentioned above). Did you know that at the founding of the USA, they seriously debated on making Hebrew the national language of the USA? The Pilgrims saw this as the covenant lands (Mayflower Compact). The Jamestown Colony saw this as the covenant lands and when they arrived, dedicated the lands to God. The founders saw this as the covenant lands. I guess it is just hard for people to understand that prophecy can and is fulfilled. | ||
| Craig |
Thanks Roy I've always held the USA Manasseh connection as the wild fantasies of the White Supremacy movement. Appears there may me some truth here afterall. I need to do some more study in this area. Have you found any end time codes involving Manasseh? Here is some interesting reading concerning USA/Manasseh. http://www.geocities.com/hiberi/joshua16.html http://www.geocities.com/hiberi/usa2.html http://britam.org/manasseh.html | ||
| roy Username: roy Registered: 11-2003 |
Craig, I have not looked for a matrix on the subject. However, I have read Yair Davidy's books (source of the links you gave). I'm not a white supremacist, and as Yair said, the white supremacists called England Manasseh and USA Ephraim, which is wrong and backwards. The only danger with this knowledge is that some people tend to assume that because they are descendants of the lost 10 tribes of Israel, that they get a free pass with God. That is NOT true. When Manasseh and Ephraim turned from God to idols they were expelled by God from the land of Israel. Any people who turn from God... see Deuteronomy 28 (how God will judge nations). | ||
| Michael |
There was a code involving Manasseh on Bible Code Digest ; as I recall they involved "Manasseh casting clouds upon him," referring to bin Laden. This was in a large Ezekiel 37 "cluster" relating to terrorist activity that was developed in the weeks and months after 9/11. The commentary on BCD led me to believe that they assumed "Manasseh" to be the US. | ||
| roy Username: roy Registered: 11-2003 |
Michael, Thanks for pointing that out, you have a good memory. :-) The whole term is, "And Manasseh is Casting a Cloud on Him, and We Will Pick Up the Dead Bin Laden." The question is, is Bin Laden dead yet? If not, that doesn't negate it, because it can still be future (death of Bin Laden). Of course if we go by Stephen Hanson's prophecy, then Bin Laden is still alive and will be captured shortly. I agree that BCD took Mannasseh to mean the USA (which has cast a cloud over Al Qaeda's operations, with over 80% of their top leadership captured or killed). | ||
| Michael |
I'm still convinced that bin Laden was killed at Tora Bora in late 2001, and that it is unhelpful to someone for this to be publicly acknowledged. I'm up in the air about just who this "someone" might be, though. | ||
| roy Username: roy Registered: 11-2003 |
Michael, I'm sure you mean that he was killed months later in February 2003 by a missile from a CIA directed drone? We know that he escaped Tora Bora, since Bin Laden put out a number of videos after that. However, since the incident where the hellfire missile took out a group on horseback in the mountains, the evidence for Bin Laden still being alive is questionable. Why would the USA hide it (if true)? The reason is that publicly announcing it might give the American people the false impression that it's all over (and reduce the funding for anti-terrorism). Secondly, perhaps announcing it would enrage muslims and create more jihadists than there are now. These are just my opinions, and I have no real knowledge from hard evidence on whether Bin Laden is alive or not. | ||
| George W. Bush |
So how do you account for bin Laden's Christmas, 2004 video? | ||
| roy Username: roy Registered: 11-2003 |
To be frank W., I don't fully trust the CIA and neither do most of the American people. I know there are many hard-working people in the CIA, but there have been too many instances of deliberate deception. The phony TWA-800 cartoon by the CIA was one example. | ||
| rick Username: rick Registered: 1-2004 |
Roy I went to the Rood meeting in Lansing with Mr Gordon. It was great. I strongly suggest going to it if anyone can when it's in their areas. Opened my eyes to stuff that I have been struggling with since I accepted Yeshua 28 years ago, and especially the struggles in the last 4 years... EYE OPENER to the facts that the vast majority of the churches in our world (Western World) are miss leading Millions of Babes in Yeshua by not teaching scripture and the facts. Like Mike says. "If we can't count to 3", 3 days Yeshua in the grave (Wed evening - Sat evening), then all the rest will be very difficult... Not Friday evening to Sunday morning (1.5 days)... Have a good day. | ||
| roy Username: roy Registered: 11-2003 |
Rick, At least you're honest about what you heard and saw (evidence); while Dubya here is casting aspersions (without evidence) and using innuendo to wound someone's reputation. And I guess hiding behind a false name so that one doesn't have to face the evidence if the aspersions are wrong. The website link Dubya is giving also has opinion and bias in addition to pointing out legitimate areas where Michael Rood has missed it. The person who wrote that material is not an expert, but someone who was in a cult for over 20 years and now feels compelled to attack others. Therefore, the person on that website are themselves not reliable, and does NOT show the academic credentials to warrant that people should accept their criticisms. Rick, you can probably testify that the teaching you heard was from Nehemyah Gordon and not from Michael Rood anyways. And Nehemyah has the academic credentials and experience (Dead Sea Scrolls Investigation Group) to be heard. Michael Rood HAS made mistakes and apologized for it openly and often. Cannot one who recognizes their mistakes and apologize be forgiven? Meanwhile, I think keeping a critical eye on someone like Michael Rood because he has taught some errors before is also wise. | ||
| rick Username: rick Registered: 1-2004 |
to all I was wondering what kind of responce would come out of my post, Very interesting indeed. Thank you Roy for your responce, I can and always look forward to either your backing of the idea put forth, and you corrections if the idea is off track. Especially the corrections, this is what will lead brothers in the corrected paths when the other brother ventures off into the weeds. Evidence / Scripture is what was layed out in that Seminar by Mike and Mr Gordon. I have seen other evidence thru other avenues other than Mike Roods info, concerning passover and the timing of events that he hits upon. There are even articles on this website concerning the Feast of God and other topics. I saw back in the 70's & 80's while in Bible Study groups, the very samething concerning what Rood and others are talking about now, way back then, all the while we checked out the Torah (old testament Scriptures) concerning God's Feast and other topics being pushed by Pastors, teachers, laypersons. As for checking out Rood, I have see others, many others, with a Blemish here and there in their past histories / track record, some correct themselves in their errors but a vast majority do not correct themselves. Just look at all the false teachings in the Churchs. As an Example: Pre-Trib Rapture, Do you think all the big TV Pastors that push this false doctrine will recend and say they are wrong, NOT.. to much money and kingdom building at stake, and not to mention the blemish on their personnel (Track Record). Do you think that any of them will even admit to this falsehood. One can even look at the Death of Yeshua on Passover. Any ideas concerning the sequence (timing) of the events that lead up to this event, (Use Scripture now).. When did they pick the Lamb for the Sacrafice, what day ? Where did they get the Lamb? Who did the choosing of the Lamb? Why were the palm branches used? How long & why was the checking and testing of the Lamb done before Passover? Why is the last supper being pushed in the Christian churches as the Passover Meal when this event (passover meal) took place after the Sacrafice of the Lamb (per the Torah's layout)? Why did God have the Hebrew People do this Passover Feast (prophetic possibly)? Back to track records... When you get down to it, We all have track records. But just because track records are a part of ones history, doesn't always mean that it is their present or future path. The measure is the Scripture, Test what you hear with the scripture, and not Sound Bit pieces of the scripture. The scripture wasn't written in chapters or verses or parts of verses. The whole story Please. To let every one know, I do not worship these men, Be it Roy, Mike Rood, Mr Gordon, Billy Graham or countless others that have come and gone as teachers and instructors in my life... I test them and what they put forth. If they teach something wrong and keep teaching it and do not Repent of the Wickedness of the False teaching, then they will have to answer to God for this. It is our responsibility to search the Scriptures and see if what they say is correct. Yet if these teachers repent and ask for forgiveness, humble themselves of the misdirection, incorrect doctrine, in the teachings they have put forth, then it is our turn to do the forgiving. Then it's our responsibility to help them to get back back on that narrow road. It is not bring up the past Track Records and rub it in, as if salt in a wound. enough said for today you all have a good day | ||
| terry Username: terry Registered: 4-2004 |
Rick, what of teachers who never repent of false teachings? Without naming any names from television, there are a lot of bizarre unbiblical doctrines broadcast daily in God's name. People on this very board speak of some of these pastors from time to time. The greatest value you can get from this board is the drive to study God's word for yourself. You're right that we should forgive people, and I forgive the pre-trib teachers. Perhaps they believe what they are saying and that is why they have not apologized. They can't be proven wrong (in their mind) until after the event and if they have truly accepted Christ, it won't matter then. Either way, most of them likely also teach that the way to salvation is accepting Christ. Isn't that the point? The truth of the matter is that I listen to a preacher for inspiration and spiritual growth. I study the Bible on my own. After all, if you disregard a blemish then you can't hold this one thing against them either. You make a very good point about the Easter season / Passover celebrations. Millions of true believers have embraced ideas set forth by various religious leaders over the centuries. God knows who is disingenuous and who is sincere - whether right or wrong. By the way, Grant Jeffrey writes a lot about the relationship of Biblical events (past and future) to Jewish feasts. If you haven't read him, yiou should check out his work. I'll check my library and give you some specific titles if you want. | ||
| rick Username: rick Registered: 1-2004 |
Terry Some of the False teachers that I have come across in my life have taken a little while to see their incorrectness. Yet more and more of them can be seen if one has the wisdom and discernment that the Holy Spirit provides us. And I can't stress enough, use the Word of God, not a sound bite here or there but the whole Word of God I would like to see information that this Grant Jeffrey has put forth, I don't believe that I have ever heard of him, that I can recall anyway. Have a good day | ||
| terry Username: terry Registered: 4-2004 |
I agree. I think part of the problem with erroneous teaching is that things get taken out of context. Grant Jeffrey has a web site here I have enjoyed his books teaching against evolution and explaining the basics of Bible codes. "Jesus, The Great Debate" and "The Signature of God" are two that pop to mind. I don't agree with him on everything, but he comes across as very educated. | ||
| jason Username: jason Registered: 3-2005 |
About one of the topics up above. I did a search on the net about the subject, I saw on exodus2006.com, done by Al Sutton, that GWB would be assassinated in 5770 (2009-2010). Which makes no sense to me considering he would not be President then, I was wondering if anyone else heard anything about this? Or did I possibly read that code wrong. here is the URL http://exodus2006.com/bushdie.htm | ||
| roy Username: roy Registered: 11-2003 |
Jason, I don't have time right now to show you what the long term really says, but the first one can mean he died of famine. When one uses shorter words like they do and don't look at them as sentences, it is easy to misinterpret the findings. They are talking about Jeb Bush running for president in 2008. So we have matrixes that don't say George Bush or even G. Bush, and we have Bush 41 (George H. W.), George W. and maybe Jeb Bush running in 2008. My point is that it could be any of them and not necessarily George W. That's what I meant about misinterpeting the findings. I'll try to explain it better tonight. One other thing, the top one can say "Bush will die of famine" and not assassination. | ||
| roy Username: roy Registered: 11-2003 |
Jason, In order to be able to evaluate a matrix you need two things. 1. to be able to statistically measure the significance of individual terms and the matrix as a whole, and 2. to be able to examine the Hebrew for correct usage and grammar. The authors on that website avoid showing statistical relevance, because many times it would show their matrix to be statistically not significant. Briscom (Harold), particle cannons and beams are regular fare on the Sci-Fi channel, but "supposedly" still developmental here on terra firma (earth). :-) However, let's suppose you are right and these triangle craft are advanced USA developmental aircraft. In the event of a surprise attack in WW3, they would have to be missed in the attack. However, even if we did have them and they were targeted in the initial attack of WW3, then having had them does one no good if they are destroyed. If the surprise attack in WW3 is started with a huge EMP burst over the center of the country, then many electronics across the country are disabled. So even if the black triangle craft were not targeted themselves, if they were open to the EMP burst, then they become at least partially ineffective (electronics destroyed) unless kept underground. I'm just trying to point out possibilities where even having an advanced weapon system or platform, it can be taken out unless carefully protected. Of course, particle cannons would be a good anti-missile system (I think), depending on the range of their effectiveness. | ||
| roy Username: roy Registered: 11-2003 |
Jason, I went back over the three matrixes on that webpage on exodus2006.com purportedly showing an assassination of Bush in 2010. Given the low statistical significance of the matrix and the scattered looking terms in the matrix, I would say that the conclusion is not reliable. If further developed, then maybe he would have something significant. Of course I had privately looked into this same matter in the past, and let's just say that the next 2 years is a dangerous time for Bush. As I have stated in the past, I don't wish to be a predicter of death using the Bible code, which is why I don't make it public. | ||
| debi Username: debi Registered: 2-2004 |
Roy Amos 3:7 GOD'S Prophets have Spoken that George W. Bush would bend his Ears to UnGodly Counsel. His Father George Bush Senior is now Roaming with Clinton. I dont believe it to be a wise choice. I view Clinton as a snake in the lobby. | ||
| jason Username: jason Registered: 3-2005 |
That may be true. I haven't seen it in his actions now atleast. But of course I see it through the media filter. He seems very sure of himself, whatever he does, I beleive he will think it is the right thing to do. I dont agree with him on everything, but I ceratinly do think he is off to a good first start in his second term. 3 1/2 more years is a long time, he may do exactly what the code says. But, like always, what is written in the code is not set in stone. I think if he goes down the path he is on now, he will be remembered as a great president. Already articles all over Europe and the liberal press here in America have articles all over the place saying, 'Was Bush Right All Along?'. Though in a rare event for me, I think they are being a bit to optimistic, they are basically landing on a carrier right now, lol. I hope the prophecy is wrong, if GWB collapses to all the pressure from the UN and ceratin elements in the media, then ultimately America will collapse. But I suppose, according to the Bible, that is unavoidable. | ||
| Richard Baldwin |
Somehow ran accross your page and thought you might find this interesting. Dream of the Cleansing of America Yohani Wolfgram A dream that he had in 1989 seeing the future of America as told to a close friend. It was a dream of the cleansing of America. Here are a few salient points that he mentioned: * The Big economic collapse which leads to chaos will occur in the last year of the 2nd term of the son of George Bush who will become president. * There will be a great drought at about this same time all over the country. * Many in the Church will become unrighteous and apostatize * There will be a nuclear bomb or bombs go off in Northern Utah that will affect as far south as the Salt Lake Valley. * Hundreds of millions of foreign troops will invade America. * The main foreign force in the Utah area will be Chinese or Chinese looking troops mixed with Latin American troops. * He said that in the third year of the second term of President Bush, the U.S. economy would collapse, which in turn would cause a series of events, including an invasion of foreign troops on U.S. soil. * Someone commenting that the patriarch must mean that President Bush (the 1st Pres. Bush) would be re-elected. Patriarch Wolfgramm then replied (remember, this is 1989) that it wasn't that Pres. Bush, but that it was the son of Pres. Bush who would become president that he was referring to. | ||
| roy Username: roy Registered: 11-2003 |
Hello Richard, Many have prophesied of the coming big economic collapse (man-made) which precedes WW3. The NWO folks have contrived this economic collapse to seize control. It is the major sign of immense things to follow. We'll have to wait and see when it happens. | ||
| roy Username: roy Registered: 11-2003 |
Douglas sent me the following vision from Cate. I will comment after it: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In 1998, I returned from Israel toward the end of the 1st week of September. I had been home 3 to 4 days and took my dogs for a walk around 9pm. I live in a wilderness community in Alaska and was in total darkness that night when suddenly a RED, WHITE and BLUE METEOR streaked from the east, exploded over my head filling a full quarter or more of the sky. Then it shot out of the explosion and disappeared into the west. I was dumbfounded; ran back home, called several people in town to see if they had seen it too, then called my daughters in GA and NV. No one in town saw it except me. I watched the newspaper for a week and talked with people through the years and it appears I was the only one who saw it, which was impossible because of its size and spectacle. Back in May of this year, I was at the end of a 3 week fast, and for a week the LORD would wake me in the middle of the night and for 2 hours or more talk to me about many things, mostly about repentance in my life. One night after talking about an hour HE out of no where said ***"Remember the METEOR you saw in 1998, you didn't see it in the flesh, you saw it in the spirit, that's why no one saw it but you; and 7 YEARS from that time AMERICA WILL BE ATTACKED!"*** That brings us to September 2005 and that is the date I am preparing for. I dread telling you this, because of the personal responsibility and accountability. But, you have asked, and I feel compelled to tell you. >>>>>>>>>>> | ||
| roy Username: roy Registered: 11-2003 |
Douglas seemed to suggest that the above vision by Cate implied the WW3 nuclear attack on America happening in September 2005. However, since many prophets have seen the worldwide economic collapse preceding WW3, and the economic collapse has not yet occurred, then this explanation cannot be correct. An alternate explanation (true to what was written) is that it implies a large-scale terrorist attack in America in September 2005 if the vision is true. Cate was just told that in September 2005 there will be an attack on America. So...any large-scale attack fulfills the prophecy, which includes a terrorist attack. My suggestion comes strictly from analysis and not from God; but the prophecies concerning an economic collapse preceding WW3 is relevant. | ||
| Michael |
Roy, based upon the timeline, with this Cate having what was later revealed to her as a prophetic vision in 1998, it seems to me that with the 7 years, skipping past the 9/11 terrorist attack, we would be looking for something on a considerably larger scale. That wouldn't preclude terrorism, but it would completely overshadow 9/11 in importance, as it was in the prophetic vision. | ||
| roy Username: roy Registered: 11-2003 |
Michael, Perhaps another prophetic dream by Michael Boldea, the grandson of Dumitru Duduman, will shed some light. Douglas had pointed this out to me a few days ago. This prophetic dream was received on October 15, 2004. I am only posting the main part. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I was silent as I watched the eagle, and was beginning to grow somewhat impatient, when suddenly, it seemed out of nowhere, a brown snake lunged at the eagle, and bit down on its left wing. The snake's strike was very quick and very precise. The eagle reacted without delay, clawing and pecking at the snake cutting deep wounds in its underbelly, trying to defend itself and ward off the serpent. Just as it seemed the eagle was winning the battle, and the serpent was retreating, another serpent appeared, red and black diagonal stripes covering its body, and without hesitation struck out at the eagle's right wing, biting down, and refusing to release. After a momentary tug of war the serpent tore off flesh and feathers, leaving a large wound on the eagle's right wing. The second bite was much worse then the first, and for an instant the eagle was stunned. Then a serpent much larger than the previous two, made up of many colors, slithered toward the eagle, opened its jaws, and lunged, taking the whole of the eagle's head in its mouth before biting down. The serpents retreated and the man who had been standing beside me, walked to the eagle, knelt down, picked it up, and held it in his cupped hands. The look of grief on his face was beyond any I have seen in my life. Just seeing the look on the man's face broke your heart. The man continued to look down at the eagle, and with a pained voice said, "The true tragedy, is that at any moment it could have sought the safety of the above, it could have soared toward the heavens and would have found its protection. This has been revealed to you, that you may know, the first bite has been, the second is yet to come, and the third will be its destruction." I watched for a long time as the man held the eagle in the palms of his hands, the pained expression never leaving his features. I was too stunned to speak, or ask any questions, what I had seen having seemed so real. The feeling followed me into my waking hours as well, and each time I closed my eyes I saw the entire scene play before my eyes throughout the day. One thing that I feel I need to share with you is that the second bite seemed to come from an unexpected place. Although I have my own opinion concerning this, I choose to keep it to myself, because expounding on personal opinion is a dangerous thing when it comes to things that God reveals. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In this dream we are told that the brown snake already was (9-11 attack), then the second snake unexpectedly strikes and that is still to come. The second snake has black and red stripes to identify the country and it is a much worse strike than the first brown snake. It is my opinion that the first snake which was brown with no colors represented Al Qaeda (which is not a country and thus no colors). The second snake ought to be identifiable as 1 or 2 countries by the black and red stripes. The third snake has many colors and represents a coalition of many nations which attacks the USA and Israel in WW3. As of October 2004, the second and third snakes are still to come. What 1 or 2 countries are represented by the second snake with black and red diagonal stripes? Perhaps a flag or military aircraft insignia? | ||
| ron Username: ron Registered: 3-2005 |
Here is a web site with easy to view flags with country info. http://www.flags.net/index.php?internal=true Maybe the snake type/color is native to only one or a few regions? | ||
| debi Username: debi Registered: 2-2004 |
Irag's Flag is Red, White and Black Diagonal Germany's Flag is Black, Red and yellow Diagonal. Intresting Weather around the USA?? Florida the Harlot is expected to have a much worse Hurricane Season. Washington State MT. Saint Helen and her activity. Cailforna and Earthquakes? | ||
| roy Username: roy Registered: 11-2003 |
Debi and Ron, I noticed the following have red and black, or red, black and white flags: Egypt, Iraq, Trinidad, Sudan, Syria, Yemen. However, nothing seems to jump out at me. | ||
| roy Username: roy Registered: 11-2003 |
This may be a better website for flags: http://bestweb2000.com/flags1.htm | ||
| terry Username: terry Registered: 4-2004 |
Interesting to note that Mexico's flag is red, white, and green (which doesn't exactly fit) but contains the picture of an eagle and a snake. What if people from one of the nations above are gathering in Mexico and planning to strike the US because of our poor efforts at controlling the border? | ||
| Michael |
You've got your usual suspects: China, Russia and various nations of the Middle East such as Syria and Iran. I tend to lump North Korea in with China, as they are merely puppets of Beijing. That would cover the "expected" category, I would think. Unexpected would be, at least in my mind, nations that we have regarded as somewhat friendly or, if unfriendly, incapable of launching any large scale attack. Cuba, Mexico and Venezuela spring to mind, along with the various extranational entities of Central and South America... a nexus these nations with the drug cartels, and possibly Shining Path could be lethal in this context. Many "old Europe" nations have been stoking their anti-Americanism for years, but I just can't see their being involved, as it would harm them more than help them. Canada, despite all the unfriendly rhetoric spewing from the left in that country, just does not seem militarily capable, nor does it seem to have the will. I think the answer or answers would be contained in some combination of, for the second "strike," the unexpected category, and for the final, Russia, China and their various controlled states. Can't rule out former Stasi in a mercenary role, either. | ||
| debi Username: debi Registered: 2-2004 |
2004 11 20. Given by Tom Gibson: I declare, says the Lord that Bush would win the election. I delcare, says the Lord that a time of judgement upon the U.S will continue. First, Bush will surround himself with unwise counsellers. These will lead him away from wisdom and towards destruction. Then, Bush will drag the U.S into a situation that will enable China and Russia to attack. When all this is done according to my plan, Judgement will come fierce upon fierce so, says the Lord. I believe in my Heart this is spoken from a Prophet of God. How can we as believers turn the tide of what is to come the Lord has spoken threw his Prophets (many). This will come to pass We can only pray that America repents. Greives me to know Bush bends his ears to unGodly counsel  | ||
| roy Username: roy Registered: 11-2003 |
Debi, These prophecies about a coming WW3 are CONDITIONAL. God our Father will always turn away a judgment if the people repent and turn to him. You might ask, "how can that be, since so many have prophesied in detail concerning WW3 to come?" The conditionality of it is that the severity of it will be greatly reduced with repentance and turning to God by the people. So although it will happen, the severity of what happens is dependent on our beliefs and actions. And if you think, "well it is impossible for a majority of the people of the USA to repent and turn to God in this manner," then here is another possibility. If people in a region of the country turn to God and repent then it affects what will happen to that region regardless of what happens in the rest of the country. The truth is that the Bible tells us the Father's heart, and He included that story of Abraham concerning Sodom and Gomorrah, and also Jonah and the city of Ninevah for a reason. It is to show us that His heart is already oriented to mercy, but that mercy turning aside judgment requires action on our part. I have shared this before, about a solemn promise the Father made to me 20 years ago. He promised me that when WW3 happens, and it looks dire after the nuking of the coasts and invasions of the armies, that the people will repent. When that happens the center of the country will hold, and God will immediately dispatch the armies of heaven to throw out all invaders. The promise He made to me is that He will actively and in a strong way throw out the invaders so that it will be obvious to everyone. They will run to try and get out of this country. That's the sure promise from the Father I hold in my heart. Praying that people repent may have some value; but actively talking to people has greater value, urging them to repent and get right with God. It is each person's free will decision on whether they will repent and turn to God. Here's an example. The prophet Jeremiah prophesied for years that the Babylonians would come and destroy Judah and take them captive. Meanwhile, all sorts of prayers were offered daily at the Temple, WITHOUT any change in attitudes and actions on the part of the people. So which is the truth concerning the people: their prayers, or their attitudes and actions? Cheap prayer without change is not a substitute for genuine repentance and change of actions and attitudes. That holds true for both you and I and everone else. | ||
| roy Username: roy Registered: 11-2003 |
I just put up a new article, which is a compilation of modern prophecies about the near term future of North America, by Raul Delgado. It is compelling and shows that the same message was given through multiple prophets with similar language. Although, as you might expect, there were different details in each prophecy. Take a look at it. The North American Conflict | ||
| jason Username: jason Registered: 3-2005 |
Questions: I'm wondering, when WW3 comes, what would God want Americans to do? Repent is the obvious main one, but would he wish us to take up arms and resist the invaders? Or would that make us just as guilty as the invaders? Does Secualar Western Europe suffer the same fate as America? Maybe Im asking to many questions instead of waiting and seeing. But I'm at an enroad at my life, I am kind of lost between joining the military or staying in Civilian life. If I join the military, I can help resist the invaders. Comments: The West Coast and New England are definitely are the most sinful regions of America, Especially Hollywood. It would make sense for god to punish those areas so harshly. If all that is left of America is center of the country where Christianity is strongest. I believe repentence is very possible. I hear Roy Mention some areas of the country will be judged more harshly than others. I live in Ohio, I doubt this state will escape destruction, though there is alot of Heartland here, and this state does not vote for Liberal Democrats, I see sin all around me and it is accepted by the population as the norm. Furthermore, my generation (Im 19) is not Christian at all, everytime I mention the word God, 9 out of 10 would just roll thier eyes. I fear God will judge this region harshly. | ||
| roy Username: roy Registered: 11-2003 |
Michael (and others), You have to think more stratgically as a military planner would, and also take into account the modern prophecies concerning the targeting. Not all military bases are as important (to the other side) as others. In fact, as a military targeter, one would focus on 1. site of nuke weapons storage faciltiies, 2. submarine facilities, 3. air power. All the rest of the military bases mean a lot less. Think about it. For example, when the USA struck specific tarets in Iraq in March 2003, what were the primary targets? None were general military bases. The targets were command and control, special weapons storage facilities and air/missile power. The objective was cut off the head and deprive them of force multiplier weapons, and also gain air superiority. They could care less about a big army or marine base, because without their air cover they are far less potent. I say the above as a retired Officer with 21 years of active duty service; that just because there is a military base nearby, it doesn't mean it would be a target. Now...the prophecies say that the attackers will focus on 2 areas: strike the nuke weapons and nuke weapons warehouses, and strike the large population centers on the coasts where a lot of infrastructure and port facilities are located. Also strike NYC (financial center) and Washington DC (political center). NC, SC, and GA will not be targeted like the NE and FL, and West Coast. (except in GA I wouldn't want to be close by Brunswick). The NE will be hit from NYC to Washington DC with fallout to Richmond and probably north of Norfolk. The invaders want to decapitate the financial and political centers and also eliminate large populations. They do not want to harm the interior of the country if possible--for its future food growing capacity (and lighter population). Also with 70% of the USA population living within 200 miles of the coasts, they can eliminate a lot and do it quickly and efficiently by using ballistic missile submarines off both coasts. So...just because there are military bases, don't assume they would be a target. You have to strategically analyze it as an attacker would. I don't want to say publicly why the other areas are attacked because, I do not want to publicly say why they are strategically important. | ||
| roy Username: roy Registered: 11-2003 |
Jason, I cannot tell you what to do in your own life, that's your decision. I can tell you to seek the Father's will for your life and find out that that is--He will tell you. As for me, I will be there. Any nation where the population will not defend itself is ripe for takeover. That's been true throughout history. Nations get wealthy and most of the population decides to let the other guy do it. So...very few do it and the rest are sitting ducks. Although I have done my time and been in 2 wars, I will be there in spite of my being slightly 30 years older than you. :-) The middle ground between full-time military or civilian is joining the National Guard & Reserve where you gain some active training for a short time and then resume your civilian life except for one weekend a month and a week or two a year (paid for). So...there is a middle ground too. | ||
| jason Username: jason Registered: 3-2005 |
Thanks Roy for the response. Well I would resist. America will never be a nation of slaves, even if our military is gone, I know lots of people with shotguns. If the Chinese thought the Tibetans were trouble, HA! They have yet to meet the American teenager :-) Besides, on top of our own weaponry, we could ambush thier supply convoys, and take thier weapons. In any case, I believe, as we see in Iraq, they may be able to take the country, its a whole nother story when talking about holding it, and keeping the people in line. Americans dont like to be pushed around, and we wont be. Liberty or death, both would be more preferrable than a Chinese or a Russian whip. NO SURRENDER! | ||
| Douglas |
I hear all this talk from Christians about their eagerness to "take up the sword"..did not our Lord forbid us to do so?...just read His Sermon on the Mount! We can only resist evil such as "principalities" (spiritual in nature); not allowed to resist other flesh by the arm of the flesh! | ||
| roy Username: roy Registered: 11-2003 |
Douglas, Jason and I were not giving a "christian" viewpoint on the matter, but our own viewpoints. That said, Yeshua's message was not one of pacificism. He did not forbid anyone except His apostles from using the sword, except telling Peter to take the sword after the Last Supper. If your view were correct, then no christian could be a policeman or in the military. If you saw a woman being raped, your pacifism would prevent you from rescuing her (or your selfishness). If you saw someone being murdered, you would turn your head and pass by. And if for my two examples, you say you would intervene and help, then I tell you that when a nation is attacked, people are murdered. So like Yeshua from the parable of the Good Samaritan, I ask you, "who is your neighbor?" If people in another state are your neighbors too and they are being mudered, then your getting involved would be the same as if the murder were happening right in front of you. And if the war came to your town, and your immediate neighbors were being murdered and raped and enslaved, at what point would you get involved? And if you would not get involved at all to help other people, then you are one selfish person. John 15:13 Greater love has no one that this, that one lay down his life for his friends/neighbors. Who lays down their life for their neighbors? Is it not those who serve in the military, and police, and firemen, etc.? Yes. Pastors and those in the ministry do not lay down their life, they fulfill their work. Think about it. | ||
| roy Username: roy Registered: 11-2003 |
Douglas, You have a warped view of what is an apostle. Yeshua (Jesus) had many followers, but He only appointed 12 as apostles. So...if God our Father has specifically called you to the ministry of apostle, then you are an apostle; but if He hasn't then you aren't. 1 Corinthians 12:28-29 And God has appointed in the church, first apostles, second prophets, third teachers, then miracles, then gifts of healings, helps, administrations, various kinds of tongues. All are not apostles are they?.... The above says that only some are called as apostles or prophets, or evangelists, or pastors or teachers. An apostle is a church planter and has participated in signs, miracles or healings. So...if you have been specifically called as an apostle, and have planted churches, and have miracles and healings in your ministry, then you are an apostle. If not, then you are not; and you cannot self-appoint yourself as an apostle. What applies to you and I and everyone else is that we are all children of God our Father by faith. God is the same yesterday and today and tomorrow and forever. Yeshua did not change the law which still applies to all. What the sermon on the mount did was delineate not seeking personal vengeance for crimes and offenses, but that vengeance is the purview of government and of God. That includes defending yourself and your neighbors against attack. I understand that some have always been like you who misread the scriptures through rose colored glasses and wrongly see passivism; but that passivism is not from God. Psalms 144:1 Blessed be the Lord, my rock, who trains my hands for war, and my fingers for battle. If you cannot believe the above, then go ahead and ignore the entire Tanach or Old Testament. Ignore that king David was a man after God's own heart and he was a man of war. Ignore that Joshua was blessed by God to be the leader after Moses and he was a warrior. And I go back to my earlier point, "who is your neighbor? And will you not help your neighbor?" If you will not help your neighbor in their time of need, then you hate them, and that is also in the scriptures. | ||
| raul Username: raul Registered: 4-2005 |
Concerning Michael Boldea's prophetic dream about the 3 serpents and in particular the SECOND serpent. Could it be that the two colors, RED and BLACK, represent two simultaneous or concurrent judgments coming to America at that time? Could red represent bloodshed due to war and/or terrorist attacks? And, could black represent the downfall or collapse of the American economy as has been prophecied. Now, of course, the question remains-Who is the nation or terrorist organization that attacks during this time? But again, could the two colors primarily depict the TYPES of judgments that will further cripple and weaken the nation. The eagle will not be able to fly to safety and will thus be vulnerable to the final and most severe attack by China, Russia, and other countries. | ||
| raul Username: raul Registered: 4-2005 |
In an above posting by Roy on Nov. 21, 2004, he brought up the issue of a "...preceding sign(that) would be oil greatly increased(ing) in price..." prior to the collapse of the stock market in America. Now, first of all, I do believe that the stock market could fall during the upcoming Fall months (October/November). And, concerning the "preceding sign" of the "oil greatly increasing in price", note this prophetic word from Jane Lowder back in January 3, 1999. She states, "...The Lord said that there shall be mergings of small companies with the larger companies where the thinking is one of safety, but it shall not be safety. Suddenly, banks shall close without notice, and the stock market shall hit an all-time low. The Lord says that the end is not yet, for the stock market shall rise again and bring false hope to thousands. These things shall be and you shall look upon them and know that I have warned you. The OIL AND THE PETROLEUM SHALL GO SKY HIGH. There will come a time when the lines shall be long, and the hearts shall fail, and the anger shall erupt because of the things that are happening..." Are we about to enter this time of the "Oil Increasing in Price". Note this from yesterday's news from the Associated Press: "...Stocks plunged Thursday(June 23, 2005) sending the Dow Jones industrials down 166 points as OIL PRICES BRIEFLY MOVED PAST THE PSYCHOLOGICALLY IMPORTANT $60 PER BARREL LEVEL FOR THE FIRST TIME. ...A barrel of light crude settled at $59.42, up $1.33 on the New York Mercantile Exchange after peaking at $60.05, an INTRADAY RECORD..." Now, could this be a pre-view of the "oil increasing in price" within the coming months? | ||
| roy Username: roy Registered: 11-2003 |
Raul, Thanks for sharing that information with everyone. I remember a prophecy given by Pat Robertson back in 1992, concerning what may be coming up in the near future. Pat prophesied that there will come a time when the stock market and everything will crash. He prophesied that the only safe investment at that time will be "Treasury Bills". When you think about it, that prophecy makes financial sense. If inflation soars, Treasury Bills adjust upwards to compensate, since they are 90 days or less before maturity. Treasury Bills have more safety than Bank CDs because banks can fail, but the only way there would be a problem with T-Bills is if the US government failed. I mention all this because some of you might have investments, 401K's, IRA's, etc. and would wonder what to do if a market crash is imminent this fall. The answer is temporary refuge in Treasury Bills. | ||
| Michael |
"If inflation soars, Treasury Bills adjust upwards to compensate," This is now only true of inflation-indexed bonds or I-bonds. Other treasuries have a fixed rate of return. This change was put into effect earlier in the year, and I'd have thought that there would be a sagging of demand. But, hardly a peep. Strange. | ||
| roy Username: roy Registered: 11-2003 |
Michael, I should have told you that I have an MBA in Finance and have been a licensed Certified Financial Planner for over 13 years. T-Bills--mature in 90 days or less T-Notes--1-5 year maturity Treasuries T-Bonds--greater than 5 year and out to 30 years (although they haven't sold anything longer than 10 years since 2001). They mostly sell 10 year bonds now. T-Bills are the way to go when interest rates rise in the short term, since every 90 days you would get the best new higher rate. For people with significant savings, they can establish a no-cost Treasury Direct account at the website you mentioned. There is no cost at all to do so (for accounts there over 100,000, they charge a modest $25 a year administrative fee). I-Bonds adjust their rate every 6 months (while for T-Bills it would adjust every 90 days). That's why T-Bills are better in a dynamic situation if interest rates spiked. Also back around 1980-2 when interest rates were very high, T-Bills got up to 17-18% while the bonds lagged behind at 12-13%. So T-Bills compensated people. Now if/when interest rate peaked and were going to begin dropping, then it is better to switch to longer term bonds. | ||
| raul Username: raul Registered: 4-2005 |
Al-Qaida nukes already in U.S. Terrorists, bombs smuggled across Mexico border by MS-13 gangsters Posted: July 11, 2005 12:22 p.m. Eastern © 2005 WorldNetDaily.com WASHINGTON – As London recovers from the latest deadly al-Qaida attack that killed at least 50, top U.S. government officials are contemplating what they consider to be an inevitable and much bigger assault on America – one likely to kill millions, destroy the economy and fundamentally alter the course of history, reports Joseph Farah's G2 Bulletin. According to captured al-Qaida leaders and documents, the plan is called the "American Hiroshima" and involves the multiple detonation of nuclear weapons already smuggled into the U.S. over the Mexican border with the help of the MS-13 street gang and other organized crime groups. Al-Qaida has obtained at least 40 nuclear weapons from the former Soviet Union – including suitcase nukes, nuclear mines, artillery shells and even some missile warheads. In addition, documents captured in Afghanistan show al-Qaida had plans to assemble its own nuclear weapons with fissile material it purchased on the black market. In addition to detonating its own nuclear weapons already planted in the U.S., military sources also say there is evidence to suggest al-Qaida is paying former Russian special forces Spetznaz to assist the terrorist group in locating nuclear weapons formerly concealed inside the U.S. by the Soviet Union during the Cold War. Osama bin Laden's group is also paying nuclear scientists from Russia and Pakistan to maintain its existing nuclear arsenal and assemble additional weapons with the materials it has invested hundreds of millions in procuring over a period of 10 years. The plans for the devastating nuclear attack on the U.S. have been under development for more than a decade. It is designed as a final deadly blow of defeat to the U.S., which is seen by al-Qaida and its allies as "the Great Satan." At least half the nuclear weapons in the al-Qaida arsenal were obtained for cash from the Chechen terrorist allies. But the most disturbing news is that high level U.S. officials now believe at least some of those weapons have been smuggled into the U.S. for use in the near future in major cities as part of this "American Hiroshima" plan, according to an upcoming book, "The al-Qaida Connection: International Terrorism, Organized Crime and the Coming Apocalypse," by Paul L. Williams, a former FBI consultant. According to Williams, former CIA Director George Tenet informed President Bush one month after the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks that at least two suitcase nukes had reached al-Qaida operatives in the U.S. "Each suitcase weighed between 50 and 80 kilograms (approximately 110 to 176 pounds) and contained enough fissionable plutonium and uranium to produce an explosive yield in excess of two kilotons," wrote Williams. "One suitcase bore the serial number 9999 and the Russian manufacturing date of 1988. The design of the weapons, Tenet told the president, is simple. The plutonium and uranium are kept in separate compartments that are linked to a triggering mechanism that can be activated by a clock or a call from the cell phone." According to the author, the news sent Bush "through the roof," prompting him to order his national security team to give nuclear terrorism priority over every other threat to America. However, it is worth noting that Bush failed to translate this policy into securing the U.S.-Mexico border through which the nuclear weapons and al-Qaida operatives are believed to have passed with the help of the MS-13 smugglers. He did, however, order the building of underground bunkers away from major metropolitan areas for use by federal government managers following an attack. Bin Laden, according to Williams, has nearly unlimited funds to spend on his nuclear terrorism plan because he has remained in control of the Afghanistan-produced heroin industry. Poppy production has greatly increased even while U.S. troops are occupying the country, he writes. Al-Qaida has developed close relations with the Albanian Mafia, which assists in the smuggling and sale of heroin throughout Europe and the U.S. Some of that money is used to pay off the notorious MS-13 street gang between $30,000 and $50,000 for each sleeper agent smuggled into the U.S. from Mexico. The sleepers are also provided with phony identification, most often bogus matricula consular ID cards indistinguishable from Mexico's official ID, now accepted in the U.S. to open bank accounts and obtain driver's licenses. The Bush administration's unwillingness to secure the U.S.-Mexico border has puzzled and dismayed a growing number of activists and ordinary citizens who see it as the No. 1 security threat to the nation. The Minuteman organization is planning a major mobilization of thousands of Americans this fall designed to shut down the entire 2,000-mile border as it did in April with a 23-mile stretch in Arizona. According to Williams' sources, thousands of al-Qaida sleeper agents have now been forward deployed into the U.S. to carry out their individual roles in the coming "American Hiroshima" plan. Bin Laden's goal, according to the book, is to kill at least 4 million Americans, 2 million of whom must be children. Only then, bin Laden has said, would the crimes committed by America on the Arab and Muslim world be avenged. There is virtually no doubt among intelligence analysts al-Qaida has obtained fully assembled nuclear weapons, according to Williams. The only question is how many. Estimates range between a dozen and 70. The breathtaking news is that an undetermined number of these weapons, including suitcase bombs, mines and crude tactical nuclear weapons, have already been smuggled into the U.S. – at least some across the U.S.-Mexico border. The future plan, according to captured al-Qaida agents and documents, suggests the attacks will take place simultaneously in major cities throughout the country – including New York, Boston, Washington, Las Vegas, Miami, Chicago and Los Angeles. In response to the G2 Bulletin revelations, Chris Simcox, founder of the Minuteman Civil Defense Corps, a citizen action group demanding the U.S. government take control of its borders, said an immediate military presence on the borders is now imperative "to stop the overwhelming influx of unidentified, potentially hostile and seditious persons coming across at an alarming rate." "Terrorists have carte blanche to carry practically anything they want across our national line at this time," he said. "As ordinary citizens have warned this government for years, the only surprising part about the new information reported here is that nothing apocalyptic from Mexican-border weapons trafficking has yet happened. Terrorism has reared its ugly head in London again these past few days, and as we know all too well we are not immune in this country. At this point, the next attempt to attack America at home is just a matter of 'when,' not 'if.' And our unsecured borders have surely contributed to this threat – yet our government officials continue to fiddle while our nation's margin of security and safety burns away. The president and Congress had better wake up before they have to answer for another devastating terrorist incursion on our own soil." The Next Terrorist Attack? The prophetic alert has been issued… Compiled by Raul Delgado Stephen Hanson [January 7, 2005] …By the end of the year [2005], your country (UNITED STATES) will be ravaged by unseen forces. Priscilla Van Sutphin [June 11, 2005] …There will be a NUCLEAR ATTACK before the end of the year [2005] that will remove all complacency in this nation! But that will also lend fuel to Nazism that has tried to make progress in this nation. People being beyond reason will blame Israel and Arabs and neither will be safe here after this. Many vigilante retaliations will occur, as lawlessness becomes stronger! Fear will grip many hearts. The good part will be that many idols will be torn down by this event and there will be repentance from broken hearts this time, and HARVEST will ensue as I explode inside My people across the earth. ESCALATION will ensue also with fervor and there will be many storms and earthquakes and flooding and famine will increase again this coming year. Understand the enemy who is the prince of the air is trying to oppose My HARVEST so SPEAK TO THE STORMS, SPEAK TO THE EARTH and winds and do not just accept everything as MY will! Ask ME for instructions and I will speak to you! Cate In 1998, I returned from Israel toward the end of the 1st week of September. I had been home 3 to 4 days and took my dogs for a walk around 9pm. I live in a wilderness community in Alaska and was in total darkness that night when suddenly a RED, WHITE and BLUE METEOR streaked from the east, exploded over my head filling a full quarter or more of the sky. Then it shot out of the explosion and disappeared into the west. I was dumbfounded; ran back home, called several people in town to see if they had seen it too, then called my daughters in GA and NV. No one in town saw it except me. I watched the newspaper for a week and talked with people through the years and it appears I was the only one who saw it, which was impossible because of its size and spectacle. Back in May of this year, I was at the end of a 3-week fast, and for a week the LORD would wake me in the middle of the night and for 2 hours or more talk to me about many things, mostly about repentance in my life. One night after talking about an hour HE out of nowhere said ***"Remember the METEOR you saw in 1998, you didn't see it in the flesh, you saw it in the spirit, that's why no one saw it but you; and 7 YEARS from that time AMERICA WILL BE ATTACKED!"*** That brings us to September 2005 and that is the date I am preparing for. I dread telling you this, because of the personal responsibility and accountability. | ||
| Michael |
Roy, Would you deem T-Bills a reasonably safe harbor in the event of a severe dollar crisis? I'm thinking of inflation indexed I-bonds myself. Interest rates and inflation would go wild in the event of some huge event that shattered confidence in the US and the dollar currency. | ||
| roy Username: roy Registered: 11-2003 |
Michael, Either T-Bills or shorter I-Bonds would correct for inflation. However, if the dollar fell against other currencies, they wouldn't necessarily protect you fully. For that you would need to be in a foreign currency interest bearing account. That's easily done with an account at EverBank. Everbank is highly rated by Forbes Magazine. Everbank World Currency Accounts | ||
| Michael |
Roy, Am I wrong in having a growiing distrust of electronic means for holding "wealth?" It strikes me that would be nothing more than a vapor, in the face of something major that could well take down any means of transferring or monitoring such accounts. Are there means of spreading currency risk that are more concrete, outside of actually holding Euros or Yen or whatever? Sorry to be bugging you so much on this. It's not as if I'm really all that caught up with money, but I have worked very hard to put away enough to secure a decent economic future for myself and those I love. It would be completely irresponsible of me to not think things through, especially with all the warnings we've been given for the past five or ten years. | ||
| roy Username: roy Registered: 11-2003 |
Michael, I know there is a risk in my telling of more advanced financial concepts in this forum, to people who are, how shall we put it?, less sophisticated financially? I mentioned EverBank above, and it is a means to have a bank account using World Currency Deposits (a money market account) or World Currency CD's (3-12 month CD's) in another currency WITH the FDIC $100,000 insurance like any other bank account in the USA. EverBank is a USA bank and not just an electronic bank (in St. Louis and NY). They just allow you to have FDIC insured accounts and denominate them in a foreign currency you choose. There is a RISK in foreign currencies that float against the dollar. Let's take the Euro. If you had a CD in Euro's at EverBank and the Euro dropped against the dollar, you would earn interest, but would lose on the currency transaction part. If the reverse is true and the Euro went up against the dollar, then you would earn CD interest plus currency transaction gains. This is what I mentioned yesterday where I said that I-Bonds and T-Bills only protect you against inflation, but not against US dollar currency devaluation. The Everbank CD would do that for you if you selected the right currency for a World Currency CD. Can you spread currency risk other than through a currency account? NO. Maybe precious metals would do that in a peripheral way, but that is taking a chance. In other words it might not work out the way you want (the risk). OK, free advice: How could you address both currency risk and inflation risk (interest) at once? You probably would want a World Currency Account CD in Swiss Francs, which is a gold-backed currency. This addresses both (currency risk and inflation risk or interest) without holding physical gold (which pays no interest). This is done in an FDIC insured bank account. So...you can do the same thing as someone who opened a Swiss Bank account and do it here with FDIC insurance (a distinct advantage). These concepts are for people with significant financial assets and not the average person living from paycheck to paycheck with only a couple of thousand in savings. So...it's probably for older people who've saved and accumulated significant assets for retirement. | ||
| David A. Wickman |
Roy, A catastrophic event will be taking place soon that will drag the United States down into a 3rd world country status. I felt as he told me that, this meant an entire city will be disappearing. I do not know if this means a "nuclear" or "chemical" attack or something else. All that was clear is that a city will be attacked and that most of the people in this city will be GONE. This event will bring the country into total devastation.(At the end of the dream I heard Phoenix Arizona)- Richard Keltner Dream March 24, 2002. The following were contributed by Raul Delgado: (1.) By the end of the year (2005), your country (United States) will be ravaged by unseen forces - Stephen Hanson Prophecy January 7, 2005 (2.) There will be a nuclear attack before the end of the year (2005) that will remove all complacency in this nation - Priscilla Van Sutphin Prophecy June 11, 2005 And (3.) ..Seven years from that time (1998) America will be attacked (2005)! - Cate Prophecy May of 2005. It appears that some catastrophic event (like a nuclear attack) on 1 to 20 American cities by Al Qaida may be attempted this year. No, this is not the "third bite" (World War Three) but probably the "seond bite". | ||
| raul Username: raul Registered: 4-2005 |
Intel Analyst: Attack on U.S. Imminent Former Israeli agent says government not preparing citizens Posted: July 9, 2005 1:00 a.m. Eastern © 2005 WorldNetDaily.com Terrorists will try to carry out an attack on the United States within the next 90 days, a former Israeli counterterrorism intelligence officer predicts. Juval Aviv, head of the New York-based intelligence company Interfor and a special consultant to the U.S. Congress, told Fox News his information is based primarily on intelligence "floating in Europe and the Middle East." An event is "imminent and around the corner here in the United States," he said. "It could happen as soon as tomorrow, or it could happen in the next few months. Ninety days at the most." Aviv, author of "Staying Safe: The Complete Guide to Protecting Yourself, Your Family, and Your Business," said Americans should look at what happened in London and expect mass transportation to be the next target of attack. "We have put all of our emphasis, right or wrong, on the aviation area," he said. "What has happened, in the last two to three years, based on information we have, the terrorists have realized that they cannot hijack a plane in America soon because the passengers are going to fight back." The terrorists are aware, he said, that they have been successful over the last 50 years in Madrid, London, Iraq and Israel in demoralizing the public when they commute to and from work. "What they're going to do is hit six, seven, or eight cities simultaneously to show sophistication and really hit the public," Aviv said. But this time, he emphasized, it will not only be big cities. "They're going to try to hit rural America," Aviv said. "They want to send a message to rural America: 'You're not protected. If you figured out that if you just move out of New York and move to Montana or to Pittsburgh, you're not immune. We're going to get you wherever we can and it's easier there than in New York.'" Education needed Aviv believes the Department of Homeland Security can do much more to educate the public on how to deal with terrorist attacks. "There's no education," he said. "We're raising the color code alert and that means nothing to anyone. Whether it's green, yellow, pink, no one ever educated the public how to identify suspicious items or people." In Israel, he noted, many terrorists have been apprehended because citizens phoned in a report. "We don't have that training on campuses, schools, or kindergarten [in the U.S.]," he said. Aviv pointed out that terrorists use certain tactics that the public could be made aware of. Terrorists in Israel, for example, often set a bomb to explode then time another five minutes later when the situation has calmed down and rescue teams have responded. "You need to know all those things and think about those things," he said. "The government must pursue that. Law enforcement will never have enough people on the street to detect things. We don't have that kind of manpower. That's why the government must enlist the public." Addressing safety precautions for those who travel mass transit, Aviv advised taking along a bottle of water, a small towel and a flashlight. "What happened in London is exactly a point to look at," he said. "Those people who were close to the bombs died, then others were injured or died from inhaling the toxic fumes or getting trampled. The reason you take a bottle of water and a towel is that if you wet the towel and put it over your face, you can protect yourself against the fumes and get yourself out of there." He also advises, "Don't be bashful." "If your gut feeling tells you when you walk on to a bus there is something unusual or suspicious, get out and walk away," he said. "You may do it 10 times for no reason, but there will be one time that saves your life… | ||
| roy Username: roy Registered: 11-2003 |
David, Raul has done a good job of compiling relevant prophecies related to a second large strike against the USA. It seems to me that one nuclear weapon going off in one city will not make the USA into a third world status country. However, what it can do is trigger a 1929 style crash of the stock market, which can lead to immense problems in the USA and worldwide. Dr. Paul Williams has mentioned 12 target cities in his upcoming book, American Hiroshima (a book that will be out in September). These are on both coasts plus a couple in the middle of the country. Based on the prophecies you cited, this Fall has been prophesied as the target timeframe. The prophecies related to the economic crash (by many) say that it happens "when the leaves are falling" which is October/November. Therefore, the last 5 months of 2005 seem to be a time of trouble here in the USA. We will see. Meanwhile, we can take wise steps in this regard in our preparation and finances, although sudden shocks to the USA will affect everyone. Remember, all these prophecies are conditional. If the people of the USA repent and call on God, then they can be lessened. However, I don't see widespread repentance and a change by people going on. A lot of people here support president Bush, but the fact is that he has resisted any efforts to close off our borders after 9-11 (where Dr. Paul Williams says that the nuclear weapons were smuggled in along with terrorists coming into the country). The fact is that using the National Guard, the borders can be closed off entirely in two weeks. It seems to me that it should have been done already. I don't know why Bush is against that reasonable action. | ||
| raul Username: raul Registered: 4-2005 |
Priscilla Van Sutphin (July 16, 2005)… America, I am about to pour out My Spirit on your coastal areas in ways you have or could never imagine! Do not be afraid of the terror that stalks in the nighttime, nor the arrow that flies by day. I AM WITH YOU and I AM WAY more powerful than even a nuclear bomb. I am way more powerful than the wealthy wicked men of this earth. I AM IN YOU, and you are IN ME. So anything you need is available through Me. ABIDE IN ME. ABIDE and do not grow weak in spiritual disciplines. Come aside with ME so that I can tell you all that you need to know. Stay rooted in the WORD. Pray unceasingly in the Spirit! Worship Me in the beauty of holiness. KEEP STEADFAST in seeking My face. I will suddenly come to My temples, and release My glory! Love the brethren and demonstrate love to those who are downcast and broken-hearted. I will heal My BODY! I will repair the breeches! Do not grow discouraged in well-doing. PREPARE FOR WAR. Do not let down your guard, nor neglect prayerfulness. I am not a man that I should lie, nor a son of man that I should change My mind. Be willing to bear the REPROACH! You have not known oh western church the REPROACH in the way other nations have. Did you think you could remain LOVED in times of WAR and lawlessness? Some judgments I will retract if there is repentance that is sincere. Some I cannot delay any longer. YOU WILL LEARN to help each other and to love one another despite your faults and weaknesses. THE IDOLS WILL BE REMOVED that you may once again learn WHO is your Master and King. Your Redeemer draws near. Will you listen for the knock on your door? | ||
| David A. Wickman |
Roy, don't you think that it would only take one or two nuclear blasts before Bush would pull our troops out of Iraq and/or empty the prisons holding terrorists? Just think of all the demands Al-Qaida could make - instead of killing 4,000,000 innocent Americans as an act of revenge. | ||
| roy Username: roy Registered: 11-2003 |
David, I don't think "surrender" to the terrorists would happen at all except in the minds of liberals. Recidivism seems to be very high among these people as evidenced by released Taliban (low level) who immediately went back to killing people in Afghanistan. Keep in mind that Al Qaeda's war (jihad) is against all Western countries and not just the USA. Osama's published plan is for Islam to take over the entire world. No, according to the prophecies through many prophets, these things are precursors to WW3, which will be the most devastating war in all history. Rather than withdrawal, I think Western countries would begin to think about mass expulsion of muslims in their midst. After all, families provide sanctuary and monetary support to the jihadists. And it is not just muslim "fifth column" people, but state support of jihad through countries like Syria and Iran. Putin of Russia is right when he says that Chechan terrorists are part of the jihad, while western journalists make fun of that observation and think the Chechans are "freedom fighters". I don't think many in the West are capable of clear thought in regards to these things, they just want to pull the covers over their heads and make it all go away by wishing it to be so. There is a terrible war going on in southern Thailand right now, and the jihadists sell DVD's of beheadings. They are indiscriminately killing families and villages to wipe out non-muslim Thai people. Keep that in mind when you think about these things. Parts of Indonesia and the Phillipines have experienced similar things. And then there is Nigeria where the moslems in the north have massacred non-muslims. I guess you've heard about the ethnic cleansing in Sudan of muslims against non-muslims with over 2 million killed. The fact is that there are terrible atrocities going on by muslims against non-muslims all around the world. If as the prophecies tell us, that we are in the end of days, then it all makes sense. Satan the god of the muslims is using them as a last ditch effort to try and thwart God's plans. The prophecies tell us that Damascus will become a heap of rubble, and Jordan where 70% of the people still support Osama's plans (by a recent poll), will become a perpetual wasteland forever. Iran will lose a large part of their population. Egypt and Libya and others will be devastated by WW3. Just remember, it is the muslims taking their crazy jihadist crusade to the world, and not the other way around. | ||
| raul Username: raul Registered: 4-2005 |
When I ponder the timing of this coming terrorist attack and I take into account the words by the various prophetic voices, it does appear to me that it is quite possible that this attack might occur this coming Fall. Now, if I were to be more specific and consider the vision by Cate, it would appear that it could occur in September. Now, allow me to make a further speculation, and consider what Cate said. She says that she had returned home at the end of the first week of September and that she had been home for 3 or 4 days. So, it appears that she had this vision around or on September 11 of 1998. The prophecy was that 7 years later the attack would occur. So, could it be that this attack might occur on September 11, 2005??? Note the following from World Net Daily: Al-Qaida's U.S. Nuclear Targets Captured documents, terrorists reveal bin Laden's preferred dates, places for 'American Hiroshima' Posted: July 18, 2005 1:00 a.m. Eastern © 2005 WorldNetDaily.com "Al-Qaida's prime targets for launching nuclear terrorist attacks are the nine U.S. cities with the highest Jewish populations, according to captured leaders and documents. As first revealed last week in Joseph Farah's G2 Bulletin, the premium, online intelligence newsletter published by the founder of WND, Osama bin Laden is planning what he calls an "American Hiroshima," the ultimate terrorist attack on U.S. cities, using nuclear weapons already smuggled into the country across the Mexican border along with thousands of sleeper agents. The series of attacks is designed to kill 4 million, destroy the economy and fundamentally alter the course of history. At least two fully assembled and operational nuclear weapons are believed to be hidden in the United States already, according to G2 Bulletin intelligence sources and an upcoming book, "The al-Qaida Connection: International Terrorism, Organized Crime and the Coming Apocalypse," by former FBI consultant Paul L. Williams. The cities chosen as optimal targets are New York, Miami, Los Angeles, Philadelphia, Chicago, San Francisco, Las Vegas, Boston and Washington, D.C. New York and Washington top the preferred target list for al-Qaida leadership. Bin Laden's goal, according to G2 Bulletin sources, is to launch one initial attack, followed by a second on another city to simulate the U.S. bombing of Hiroshima and Nagasaki. The optimal dates for the attacks are August 6, the anniversary of the Hiroshima bombing, September 11 and May 14, the anniversary of the re-creation of the state of Israel in 1948. No specific year has been suggested, however, this Aug. 6 represents the 60th anniversary of the Hiroshima attack. The captured terrorists and documents also suggest smaller attacks may take place on American soil before the nuclear incidents. They may include some involving automatic weapons at schools and shopping malls, but will not include any airplane hijackings. Why? Because bin Laden does not want any failed efforts to overshadow "the success of Sept. 11." There will also not be any attacks on U.S. nuclear power plants. The rationale? The nuclear power plants can act as force multipliers when the weapons of mass destruction are detonated. Another requirement dictated from the top at al-Qaida is that the attacks take place in DAYLIGHT, so that the whole world will be able to see the images of a mushroom cloud over an American city. One of the sources for the information is Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, the chief planner of the Sept. 11 attacks, who is now in U.S. custody…" Notice, that September 11th is one of the preferred dates. Ok, now also notice that they plan to attack during the day, so that many will view the complete destruction as it is unfolding. Now, I'm about to include the following vision by a person whom I've never heard of. Please, please use your own discernment about what this individual says, because even though he is called a seer, I don't know anything about his life other than this vision he says he had. On a personal note, I believe that we should only listen to true prophets of God. But, like I said, I don't know if this person is this type of prophet or how he gets his visions. This is only part of his entire vision... The Farmer of Krems also known as "The Seer of Waldviertel." "On September 17, 2001, a reverend from Tirol, Josef Stocker, spoke to the seer by telephone. Regarding the New York attack of September 11, 2001 the Farmer of Krems said: "The terrorist act that is prophesied for the present-time has not yet occurred, and when it does there will be a nearly total destruction of New York -- an unprecedented terrorist act that will be carried out with TWO small nuclear explosive devices." Besides that he also sees, in their entirety, major battles being fought in Egypt against us (Western forces). Before the start of the Third World War, he sees a limited conflict on the Balkan Peninsula and the destruction of New York. It is summer-like weather: "The tidal waves in the Mediterranean Sea region, through use of nuclear weapons, will reach a very great height over the Adriatic (Balkans and Italy) originating from the North (Russia). The explosions are clearly noticeable here. New York is destroyed unexpectedly before this time of war by small explosive devices, that explode very low in the air. The image grows more vivid, becoming like houses blasted apart from a violent storm. In the explosion inferno (the explosion's epicenter or "ground zero"), I saw nothing left standing. It would seem to have occurred around NOON (local time). If one considers however, that, in the early summer, it becomes light very early, that could be also in the morning hours. I saw all details clearly and with extraordinary clarity... Also, regarding the destruction of New York, I saw details that one could never perceive with the eye due to the quickness of the event. It was revealed to me in proper sequence, but in slow motion. I saw this city in all of its detail. There a dark object fell in its course, continually crooking upon itself. I stared intently as this body fell, until it almost crashed to the ground. First it shredded into pieces, dissolving itself as it did this. In this moment I did not yet comprehend what had happened. The first explosive device exploded some buildings a distance behind a larger building standing with a wide entrance facing the ocean's shore. From the perspective of the Atlantic Ocean, these buildings seemed to be located somewhat to the south behind this larger building. The buildings did not fall over or implode upon themselves, but rather they became, save for a few, part of the explosion's epicenter (ground zero). They then became pulverized from the ground up. From a distance, they had the appearance of sinking, as if swallowed up by the ground beneath them..." | ||
| roy Username: roy Registered: 11-2003 |
An analyst with the Northeast Intelligence Network (a website that offers intelligence to civilians), told me that Osama had sought to find justification for use of nuclear weapons. In 2002, Osama had published that Al Qaeda's future use of nukes is in revenge for America's use of nukes in WW2 on Hiroshima and Nagasaki. Those dates were August 6 and 9th respectively (in 1945). Therefore, those two dates bear watching. What do Hiroshima and Nagasaki have to do with the muslim jihad? Nothing, but Osama needed some supposed justification for his use of nukes to the jihadist faithful. Thanks for posting the Seer's vision, Raul. | ||
| roy Username: roy Registered: 11-2003 |
To everyone, Raul pointed out to me that we had incorrectly attributed a prophecy on the possible terrorist nuclear attack in America in September 2005 to a Steve Cate. Raul did some background checking and it is not Steve Cate, but a woman named Cate. I therefore went back and corrected posts in this string to reflect proper attribution to Cate. I guess this happened because someone sent the prophecy to me attributed to Steve Cate, so somehow it had been wrongly attributed before it was sent to me. Anyways, it has been corrected. | ||
| terry Username: terry Registered: 4-2004 |
Has anyone done matrix on mecca or has there been any prophecy from a reliable source who comments on it regarding future wars? I think the islamists would take the threat much more serious from this administration than they would have from Clinton. Maybe it they think that their extremism might result in the destruction of their holy sites, they will back away. They won't retaliate against Christian Holy sites, because they also regard Jeruselem as Holy. | ||
| Doug |
Three Arab Black Horse Riders Jo Ann - June 16 I had a vision of three beautiful, huge black horses being ridden by men dressed as Arabs and all in black. Whether they were Arab or not, I don't know, but they were dressed as Arabs. They were on a sure and direct mission, not an evil mission, but a mission sent by God (righteous judgment). They were riding black horses, so hard and ferocious. I could see the sweat pouring off the horses and flying into the wind. Foam was pouring out of the mouths of the horses; they were being ridden so hard. Their hooves were pounding the ground like thunder. Then a number appeared: "109". I had this vision June 16. This is the most vivid vision I have ever had. Interpretation by David Eells I am thinking that this represents three simultaneous hits on America by Muslims for God's purpose of waking up the sleeping elect. They are in black because they are bringing this judgment in darkness and because the black horse in Revelation 6:5 destroying the economy. Tim Carter sent this possible revelation of timing: "Based on the current Hebrew calendar and the feasts of the Lord and the day she had the vision, I counted out 109 days after that vision. Day 109 falls on October 3, which is the day before Rosh Hashanah for the calendar year which falls on October 4 this year. Hmmm....the Feast of Trumpets." | ||
| Doug |
Terrorist Attack on Seattle Vision - Jim in Baltimore, Maryland I had an open vision on 4-25-05 of an upcoming terrorist attack against the United States. As I approached His Throne I felt the winds of the second heaven on my face. Up ahead I saw tiny white lights everywhere (they were angels); then I saw His brilliant white Throne. I was in the very presence of God. Trembling, I asked Him to show me plainly the future of the United States. He said, "I will show you a small fragment." I saw two large natural disasters that are coming to America because they refuse to repent. I saw the eruption of the Yellowstone geyser. I saw an earthquake that absolutely destroyed the State of California. Then I asked the Lord to show me if there are any more terrorist attacks coming to America. And He said, "Look down there!" And I saw a train going around two mountains in a valley, and then I saw the words, "SEATTLE WASHINGTON." As the train came into the words, the entire train exploded. I said, "Lord, when will this happen?" And He said, "Not too many days from now." I thanked and praised Him, and then I came back down to the first heaven. | ||
| raul Username: raul Registered: 4-2005 |
MORE VISIONS CONCERNING THE COMING TERRORISTS ATTACKS Kato Mivule July 1, 2005 http://www.yesumulungi.com/ProphDreams/Dream33.htm ...In my dream, I saw the USA had just undergone a major terrorist attack in a major city that brought about an economic crash in the nation. Millions of people were no longer working. I was out of work too and living on the few foods I stored. Everyone was told to stay in their houses and there was a semi curfew in America... ...The Lord showed me the economic crash. I saw in the vision two Switches, one for the NASDAQ and the other for the Dow Jones. The one for the NASDAQ was the first to be turned off by someone, who I recognized was an angel. The chaos began, but not until the Dow Jones was turned off too, that people went into riots and began to blame the terrorists and engage in hunting for the Muslim Terrorists... ...The Lord gave me a stern warning to all who call themselves Christians NOT TO Engage in any riots and race wars, and murder of Muslims, if you do His protection will not be on you, for He does not delight in the shedding of innocent blood (Please, Jesus Christ knows Muslims are not Christians and knows they can only be saved through Him, so don’t send me hate e-mails, this genocide is orchestrated by the New World Order, if you participate in it you will be guilty of murder and you will be heading for HELL). Those who live by the sword will surely DIE by the Sword... ...In the dream I was compelled to tell the Muslims to leave. Those who left the US survived but ALL who stayed were killed during the riots... Kim Weir's vision October 2004 I had a vision of a great plan to attack in many places in the US by Islamic militants. I sensed it strongly and prayed it be thwarted. But then I began to have visions of a dark cloud rolling in. I prayed, 'Lord what is this?' He said, 'It is of me.' I went up into the cloud. I saw within it a great and powerful energy. The Lord said, 'This is my judgment for America. It is here. It must come to pass so that the lost can be saved.' Then I looked for the end of it and there was no end to the cloud. The sky became completely covered. And the Lord said, 'Never again. This country will not be the same ever again.' I saw this vision several times. The cloud is here. It hasn't left and we will see things happening soon. At one point I saw a greater number of demons operating in the US and they were laughing arrogantly, 'We are powerful! Look at us here doing evil!' I then saw God looking over the edge of Heaven and heard him say, 'Only for a time will you have power. Only to bring my will to pass. It is all given of me.' | ||
| Doug |
Word and Vision - Christendom Time is up May 22, 2005 As I was praying today, I had a clear vision from the Lord. I saw someone with a measuring rod and this person measured a building in shape of a dorm...later I realized He was the Lord. After the measurements, He said to me, "I have given 100 days to Christendom to repent and her time is ended. It is now time to leave Christendom, everything in Christendom will fail". The vision then ended. I don't know what the 100 days stands for, but I know the call is out for all those still in the Babylonian Church System...and it is individual between you and the Lord...but I know Christendom's time is up! I was later given a Scripture in the Book of John... John 12: 20-26 And there were certain Greeks among them that came up to worship at the feast. The same came therefore to Phillip, which was of Bethsaida of Galilee, and desired him, saying, Sir, we would see Jesus. Phillip cometh and telleth Andrew: and again Andrew and Phillip tell Jesus. And Jesus answered them, saying, The Hour is come, that the Son of man should be glorified. Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except a corn of wheat fall into the ground and die, it abideth alone: but if it die, it bringeth forth much fruit. He that loveth his life shall lose it; and he that hateth his life in this world shall keep it unto life eternal. If any man serve me, let him follow me; and where I am, there shall also my servant be: if any man serve me, him will my Father honour. God Bless You All Your Brother In Christ Kato Mivule | ||
| roy Username: roy Registered: 11-2003 |
Stuart, Many prophets have prophesied of a coming "war in the church" (a war of ideas and control) and is specifically speaking of denominations. For example, the Anglican church, Methodist Church, and Episcopal church have openly sided with the Palestinians and against the Jews. They push the concept of disinvestment in Israel and a separation of the land of Israel. Meanwhile, God tells us in the Bible that this separation of the land of Israel is "a covenant with death". These same churches (plus Presbyerian) make open homosexuals and lesbians leaders, pastors, and bishops. These same churches are the main support for the World Council of Churches which is pro-socialist/communist and have worked to bring bad government in many nations (socialist). I am not condemning individual believers in these churches, since there are many sincere and right-thinking believers in these denominations. However, as organizational structures, they are on the wrong path, a path of rebellion against God and His word. So...like you I was struck by the "leave Christendom" prophecy the same as you. However, I put it in perspective of many prophecies which are much more clear, where it meant organizational Christian denominations which are rebelling against God. | ||
| roy Username: roy Registered: 11-2003 |
Terry, Yes, a 501C3 church falls under numerous governmental rules, because they voluntarily choose to become a licensee. Meanwhile, the IRS has openly said that a church does not need to be a 501C3 organization in order to have their donations by parishioners be tax deductible. It's just that a 501C3 filing and aceptance, places you in a less likely to be challenged by the IRS type category. The reason is that churches are "grandfathered" and even a new church does not have to voluntarily become a 501C3 organization; but most do in order to avoid IRS/tax related problems. There also may be local and state issues related to a 501C3 and non-taxing of church owned land in some localities. I personally don't have a problem with either way (501C3 or not) except that a 501C3 church as a non-profit entity cannot legally engage in overt politically-related things like advocating a specific candidate or party. That's why many large churches have also begun a separate political organization that can engage in politics at the local, state and national level. That's how CBN (a 501C3 organization) can legally start a separate political organization and another legal advocacy organization. These separate organizations (from CBN) can engage in these things legally. | ||
| terry Username: terry Registered: 4-2004 |
Roy, thanks for the answer. I worked for a 501c3 for several years. There were many loopholes you had to jump through for federal funding and mine was not a faithbased charity. I was curious as to whether Doug was only talking about churches. Also, I was curious which of the conspiracy theories on a google search he might be advocating. lol. Many charities that are faith based would also be well served to avoid taking federal money for fear of government regulating how that money is spent. | ||
| stuart Username: stuart Registered: 4-2004 |
Doug, I would like to know why you think I am defending Christendom? And when you said, "You disregard this warning at your own risk!" I feel like you are judging me, which you have no right to do that. Roy, I agree with you (your above post to me). I honestly believe that the churches (denominations) have strayed from the teachings of the first century church. Its like they are "cold". I have no clue as to why Doug thinks I am defending Christendom. The only thing I am defending is when Jesus said "His Church" will not fail. To me there is a big difference between "His church" and the denominational churches. | ||
| terry Username: terry Registered: 4-2004 |
No denomination, or even nondenomination, is "the church". The Church is the body of believers. Even if organized religion is cold, the body of Christ is not. The bark on a tree is dead, but it protects the very living wood within. Church organizations (pick your flavor) may get wrapped up in their own existence and lose focus, but they are a source of fellowship with other Christians and little else. That is the living breathing church. I still maintain that "Christendom" in the sense of that prophecy refers to the archaic terminology applied to the crusader nations - or the west. | ||
| roy Username: roy Registered: 11-2003 |
Terry, Allow me to nitpick for a moment. :-) Your use of the term "crusader" is that of the jihadists. It is the muslims who have been on crusades for conquest since the time of Mohammed. Constantinople was the center of the Eastern church for hundreds of years and the muslims mounted a crusade to crush it and force conversion to Islam. Egypt was conquered by muslim crusaders as was Sudan and Libya and Tunisia and Morocco. A large part of Spain was taken by muslim crusaders for a time, and they were only stopped when they were spilling into France. Similarly, the muslim crusaders with their Janissary armies of the Caliph were killing and conquering into Eastern Europe until stopped in Serbia by Vlad the Impaler. If anyone are crusaders, it is the muslim hordes who have been doing this continuously since 700 AD. I take offense at the negative use of "crusaders" applied to the western armies mounting an offensive to "take back" what the muslim crusaders had stolen. If Western nations fight back against the onslaught of the muslim crusaders are they not defending themselves, and is it not the muslims who are crusaders? Yes. Even in Israel, it was primarily Christian for 650 years before being conquered by the muslim crusaders. I think it is disgusting to use the "politically correct" terminology of the hand-wringers and brand the western forces as crusaders, when it is the muslims who have always been the crusaders. | ||
| terry Username: terry Registered: 4-2004 |
Roy, point well taken. I was unclear. The muslim attitude isn't much different now. They attack, and then blame us if we retaliate. My use of the term "crusade" was not from my point of view, which I hope is obvious, but was originally used to point out someone else's point of view. The term "Christendom" is not that common anymore, and I wondered if the person used it because it reflected their belief that Christendom constituted a specific region. I originally posted it to ask about the worldview of the "prophet" someone quoted above and where their terminology might have come from. Someone in Africa could very easily have been educated by muslims, or with deference to muslims, and would look upon the west as such. If they are using the term improperly, can we put much stock in the prophecy? The politically correct terms bother me too. I hear the term "freedom fighter" associated with the PLO a lot when leftists mention them. | ||
| terry Username: terry Registered: 4-2004 |
Also, I'm not suggesting that the writer used the term "Christendom" to reflect their own view that the west comprised "crusader nations" (as muslims would say), but that their knowledge of the terminology may be limited and they may not realize that is a description we would consider inaccurate. After all, school books in that region do not even reflect the existence of Israel, they show a nation of Palestine - which doesn't exist. | ||
| raul Username: raul Registered: 4-2005 |
Bob Jones 1997 prophecy: December 31, 1997 …In the California quake Bob saw the ground quake for FIVE minutes. The ground liquified and complete houses and buildings sank into the ground just as if they were in quicksand. The San Fernando Valley – seat of pornography- won’t rise again. Los Angeles: GET OUT! Expect a devastating earthquake and terrorist attack(s) with nuclear suitcase bombs. Some of these bombs have already been smuggled into California. 126 nuclear suit case bombs are missing from the USSR. Many have been smuggled into the USA and Israel by terrorists. Due to the eruptions/earthquake a plate will separate. The Sea of Cortez (Gulf of California) to The Los Angeles River will separate from the continental USA. What is left of Baja California and Southern California east of the breaking/sliding continental plate will be an island or series of islands. The cup is nearly full for California. Expect quakes, terrorist bombs and viruses. Get into your prayer closet! | ||
| raul Username: raul Registered: 4-2005 |
Roy, if indeed this multi-terrorist attack does occur in America either in August or September of this year, it seems reasonable and plausible to expect that our government/military will retaliate as it did after 9/11. Now, do you think that it is possible that your "WMD from Iraq Matrix" could be showing us this retaliation? Could it be saying that sometime in late 5765, after the terrorist attacks have occurred, that we will then strike Damascus (Syria)? | ||
| roy Username: roy Registered: 11-2003 |
Raul, I think you have shown many prophecies from different people that shows the terrorist attacks and earthquakes. Since neither you or I know most of these people, we will have to see whose prophecies are true and whose are not. However, I agree with you that it looks like August, September and October of 2005 will be momentous (California quake, terrorist attacks, and stock market crumbling). My matrix seemed to show use of biological or chemical weapons in Iraq against our troops, which is the trigger for the response. We'll just have to wait and see on that. It seems that Al Qaeda is ratcheting things up right now with the two bombing days in London, and the 5 car bombs at Sharm al Sheik in Egypt in the Sinai. They have also warned of attacks in Denmark, and other places in Europe. Personally, I don't see how the USA could respond against Syria if there were Al Qaeda nukes used in the USA, unless there was a clear tie to the events by Syria. | ||
| raul Username: raul Registered: 4-2005 |
Indeed, it truly seems as though this coming Fall will certainly be a momentous time in American history. And note the word, "fall", doesn't that just describe what will happen to America if she doesn't repent of her ways. I guess what I also wanted to stress was the fact that the U.S. would probably retaliate against somebody, whether it's Syria or Iran, which by the way, I just read another prophetic word concerning this terrorist attack and who we would retaliate against. Check this out: Nuking N.Y. Leads to Iran War Linda Newkirk http://www.prophecies.org 7-23-05 I live in Arkansas. Last night I was praying to our Father in Heaven when I found myself on a hill overlooking an arid land and I asked my Father where I was. He told me, Israel. Then, suddenly, I looked and the beautiful sight was all gone, and I was looking into a most frightening darkness, like a dark, boiling abyss. I was carried down into this darkness so that I was now looking northward to a city at night and I asked our Father what I was seeing. He told me that I was looking northward to Jerusalem. I have never been to Jerusalem and I did not have any bearings. Then He told me that great darkness is upon Israel. Suddenly I saw His hand come down into the city of Jerusalem, the hand of God, and His hand was on a very bright and shining sword. He pushed this sword into the earth in Jerusalem and He said, "I will fight this war!" I said, "Father, this frightens me so, as I have never in all the visions that You have given to me seen Your hand come down like this on a sword!" Oh, I felt such an unbelievable fear deep in my soul; for the power of His words shook the very core of my being! Then, today, after I sought Him much about the terrible state in the USA, our Father told me that there is a very great terrorist event, which is being planned for America, and that it is much bigger than 911. He told me that part of this plan is a nuking of New York City, but that there is also an alternate plan, which involves biochemical attacks on ten US Cities and He gave me the names of these cities. He also told me that the evil Satanists in this government and the New World Order Satanists plan this before the year is out. This is not set in stone, but our Father in Heaven is saying that He may allow this, or part of it, as the people have forsaken Him and they no longer regard His word or His warnings! Yes, I totally believe that Israel is in great danger of war, but I also believe that all of this that is set to happen in the USA and Israel is being orchestrated to create a panic situation so that the evil ones will have the support of the people to attack Iran, as our Father in Heaven also told me this. It is all about owning the world's oil supply and forging ahead with their World War III and a world police state, but our Father is also going to come down and fight on the behalf of His people. If there is no repentance, these and worse things will come suddenly upon this whole world. Oh, Dear Ones, we must pray and weep for the sins of these lands! For, truly, destruction comes suddenly. Jesus is our Only Way! | ||
| raul Username: raul Registered: 4-2005 |
No, I'm not anti-Israel. I am a Christian, who believes that God has a special plan and purpose for Israel as clearly written in the scriptures. The thing I'm against is Satan and those who serve him. I believe that in these end-times people will be faced with choosing to serve either God or Satan. Things will become very polarized (black and white). People will either give themselves totally to God or to the ruler of this present world. Many, will leave the faith and instead follow seducing spirits. While many, who have been in total darkness, will come to the saving knowledge in Jesus Christ. There will soon be a time of great distress and turmoil, but during this trying time, His church will go forth and win many for Him with miracles and signs following. Many will indeed be won for Christ and this includes people from ALL races and nationalities. At the same time, many from ALL races and nationalities, will sadly harden their hearts and instead choose to align themselves with the evil one. Let me speak for my race and nationality. I am a Latin-American (Hispanic) of Mexican descent. Now, there will be many of my people, who will turn to Jesus Christ, as many have already done, while at the same time there will be those, who choose religion and its traditions as their god (in other words, Satan). Once again, the Lord knows my heart and I can honestly and sincerely say that I am not anti-Israel. Also, the Holy Spirit has directed me to pray for you, which I will. | ||
| David A. Wickman |
Roy, What do you think of the following scenario? The Syrians using the WMDs that they have acquired from Saddam on Israel and the Israelis, not Americans, retaliating by reducing Damascus to a "ruinous heap" (Isaiah 17:1). Then, later in the same chapter, the Russians and Muslim allies invade the Holy Land, seeking both revenge and spoil, and 5/6ths of their numbers being wiped out by God and the Israelis in a twelve hour nuclear war, starting World War Three (Isaiah 17:12-14). | ||
| jason Username: jason Registered: 3-2005 |
you guys are talking about a war with either Syria or Iran, I think I should point out that Iran and Syria have a military alliance, so an attack on one would be an attack on both. | ||
| roy Username: roy Registered: 11-2003 |
David, Your scenario is a possibility. Just before the Syrians moved their troops out of Lebanon due to international pressure, they allowed Iran to fly in hundreds of short and medium range missiles. These missiles are aimed at Israel and while ostensibly under the control of Hezbollah, the direct operational/firing control is by Iranian officers. BTW, Hezbollah is the foreign arm of Iran's revolution and financially funded and directed by Iran. Of these Iranian missiles placed with Hezbollah, it is suspected that a portion are capable of carrying chemicals or biologicals (the poor man's nukes). In sharing this info, it makes your scenario even more likely. And Jason is correct that Iran and Syria have formed a military alliance; and Syria relies on 10's or 100's of millions in aid from Iran. Why would these chemical/biological capable missiles be placed in Southern Lebanon and Syria unless there was a source of chemicals and biologicals which could be used to fill up their warheads? | ||
| David A. Wickman |
A Jewish friend of mine has stated that a "Burden of Damascus" type fate is also in store for Iran. (He couldn't provide the scriptures) Isn't Persia one of the leaders of the Russian/Muslim nation invasion of Israel at the time of World War Three (Ezekiel 38:5)? | ||
| Michael |
"Why would these chemical/biological capable missiles be placed in Southern Lebanon and Syria unless there was a source of chemicals and biologicals which could be used to fill up their warheads?" This does lend credence to the "missing" WMD being located at the head of the Bekaa valley, bordering Lebanon and Syria. | ||
| roy Username: roy Registered: 11-2003 |
Michael, The Lord has spoken to me a few times about my lack of awareness or sympathy with "My Jewish people" in Israel (meaning observant Jews), who are under constant threat. They are under threat of missiles from Hezbollah in the north, from threat of small groups of murderers sneaking into their areas to wantonly kill, threat from mortars, and threat of suicide bombers, etc. I guess I had viewed it all through the prism of my own safety here in the USA, while in certain areas of Israel it is far more dire on a daily basis. Imagine putting in a full day's work and then having to pull guard duty too for your community. That's the situation there daily in large parts of Israel. That's one reason why the wall they are building is good, it has eliminated a good portion of this daily threat even though the EU condemns the wall. I agree that it does lend credence to Iraq's WMD being in the Bekaa of Lebanon and in Syria. David: Yes, Ezekiel 38:5 identifies Persia as one of the nations attacking Israel in WW3. Iran (Persia) will pay a steep price for it. | ||
| David A. Wickman |
Roy, (Stephen Hanson June 29, 2005 Prophecy) "There are difficult days ahead for the White House. There are plans and strategies being made that would attempt to get him out of office"... My question is - if the terrorists are successful in setting off WMDs on the 6th of August (the 60th anniversay of Hiroshima), or at anytime this year, will President Bush be impeached? | ||
| raul Username: raul Registered: 4-2005 |
Concerning America's POSSIBLE response (retaliation) following another terrorist attack: July 25, 2005 Cheney's Plan: Nuke Iran Stand athwart the apocalypse, and shout: "No!" by Justin Raimondo antiwar.com "A recent poll shows six in ten Americans think a new world war is coming: the same poll says about 50 percent approve of the dropping of the atomic bomb on the Japanese cities of Hiroshima and Nagasaki at the end of World War II. Somewhat inexplicably, about two-thirds say nuking those two cities was "unavoidable." One can only wonder, then, what their reaction will be to this ominous news, revealed in a recent issue of The American Conservative by intelligence analyst Philip Giraldi: 'The Pentagon, acting under instructions from Vice President Dick Cheney's office, has tasked the United States Strategic Command (STRATCOM) with drawing up a contingency plan to be employed in response to another 9/11-type terrorist attack on the United States. The plan includes a large-scale air assault on Iran employing both conventional and tactical nuclear weapons. Within Iran there are more than 450 major strategic targets, including numerous suspected nuclear-weapons-program development sites. Many of the targets are hardened or are deep underground and could not be taken out by conventional weapons, hence the nuclear option. As in the case of Iraq, the response is not conditional on Iran actually being involved in the act of terrorism directed against the United States. Several senior Air Force officers involved in the planning are reportedly appalled at the implications of what they are doing – that Iran is being set up for an unprovoked nuclear attack – but no one is prepared to damage his career by posing any objections.' Two points leap out at the reader – or, at least, this reader – quite apart from the moral implications of dropping nukes on Iran. The first is the completely skewed logic: if Iran has nothing to do with 9/11-[part] 2, then why target Tehran? As in Iraq, it's all a pretext: only this time, the plan is to use nuclear weapons. We'll wipe out the entire population of Iran's capital city because, as Paul Wolfowitz said in another context, "it's doable." The other weird aspect of this "nuke Iran" story is the triggering mechanism: a terrorist attack in the U.S. on the scale of 9/11. While it is certain that our government has developed a number of scenarios for post-attack action, one has to wonder: why develop this plan at this particular moment? What aren't they telling us? I shudder to think about it. The more I look at it, and the more I think of it, the more I sense a monumental evil casting its shadow over the world, and I have to tell you, it makes me wonder how much more time I want to spend on this earth. In my more pessimistic moments, I doubt whether we can avoid the horrific fate that seems to await us just around the next corner, the next moment, looming over the globe like a gigantic devil stretching its wings and blotting out the sun." Comment by Raul Delgado: The reason I posted this was to show primarily a possible response on our part after another terrorist attack. I don't agree with the other views expressed by the author of this article, but it is interesting to note his feelings about what seems to await in the not too distant future. We as Christians can have full assurance and peace in Christ in the midst of any war or rumor of war. | ||
| roy Username: roy Registered: 11-2003 |
David, As you probably noticed, the democrat party in the House and Senate seems to be entirely focused on stopping anything this administration does. They weaken the American people's resolve about the war against terrorism, and fight every appointment as if it were the focal point to "save the nation" for the democrats view of the world. As you know, I don't support everything president Bush does, and the CAFTA treaty is one of those. However, the democrats have been seriously searching for any legal pretense to attempt to impeach president Bush since he came into office in 2001. The joke about Senator Leahy is: he wants someone appointed to the supreme court who is wise and experienced, as long as the nominee is not an appointee of president Bush. :-) Raul: when I was in the military, I saw people like those mentioned in the article you posted. They were complainers who were somewhat anti-military while they were in uniform. My view is that it is the military's JOB to formulate plans for ALL contingencies. The problem is that these PLANS or even that they are in work, shouldn't be LEAKED to the anti-government press. And the press should realize that by contingency planning, the military is doing the job that we as Aemricans are paying them to do. A military plan is not "tasking" or an already decided course of action. AND since vp Cheney was a former Secretary of Defense under Bush 41, he KNOWS what the military is prepared for and not well prepared for. Therefore, why wouldn't this experienced former SecDef be the one to direct that optional military plans be formulated? The author asks "what aren't they telling us?" as a rhetorical question. My response is "why haven't you assimilated the open-source evidence yourself Mr. Raimondo?" There is direct and incontrovertible evidence that a large part of Al Qaeda leadership and command escaped to Iran from Afghanistan and has been sheltered there by the government of Iran (over 1000 Al Qaeda higher level people). Iran has directly fomented killing Americans in Iraq by entirely funding Muqtada Al Sadr ($50 million+ initially to get them going, plus weapons and ammo and intelligence). Iran has funded "jihadist training camps" in Lebanon and Syria to funnel jihadist fighters into Iraq. And there is much more real evidence. That doesn't mean I support nuking Iran, but I am aware that Iran has been at war with the USA for the past 3-4 years, and that war is undeclared but nevertheless real. And I am aware that Russia and China are in the background behind Iran, supplying them with arms, and encouraging Iran in this overt aggression. | ||
| Michael |
Somebody else has got a bad feeling about San Diego. http://americandigest.org/mt-archives/005714.php | ||
| roy Username: roy Registered: 11-2003 |
Michael, Some of that article is preposterous. I was stationed for 3 years at the airfield at Miramar in La Jolla in a fighter squadron. You must understand that San Diego has a downtown (where the bomb was exploded) that is like a bowl (valley). Between the downtown and Miramar airfield in La Jolla is a mountain ridge which would definitely shield the Miramar Air Station directly from the fire, direct radiation, and high winds. Miramar is about 12 miles north of downtown San Diego (if I remember right). Meanwhile, Camp Pendleton, the huge Marine base is about 40 miles north of downtown San Diego. The direct effects by a nuke going off in downtown San Diego would be negligible on Camp Pendleton. This knowledge comes from my being qualified to deliver, and being directly involved with nukes my entire 21 year career. IMHO, the land in San Diego is flat all the way to the Mexican border from downtown, so the effects would be higher to the south of downtown San Diego. All this is true because a nuke detonated on the ground (in a truck) has far different characteristics than a large nuke detonated at 500-1000 feet in the air as ICBM's are designed to deliver. The author is not very knowledgeable about ground characteristics making it into a "virtual shaped charge". Doug, I did answer that the Democrats are looking for any pretense to try and impeach president Bush. However, with a Republican majority in the House and Senate, there is little likelihood that impeachment would ever happen. | ||
| David A. Wickman |
Roy, Don't you think, even with majorities in both houses of Congress, the Republicans will be under tremendous pressure to impeach Bush once America has lost over "four million persons" in one day? (1.) Bush has been warned for years to close the southern border, use our troops to stop the invasion of illegal aliens, drug smugglers and terrorists and to just enforce the laws. He refused and actually impeded the Government Agents from doing its job -all impeachable offenses. He has been conspirating with foreign powers in undercutting and circumventing our Constitution by giving the authority to regulate international trade to international governance (this used to be called treason). etc ...Clinton was impeached under lesser charges, even though not removed from office because of the Republicans. | ||
| roy Username: roy Registered: 11-2003 |
David, You make some assertions that are not true. The authority to regulate trade has already been placed under the WTO (World Trade Organization) during the Clinton years. Bush hasn't given the WTO any more power at all, it was already done 10 years ago, and I didn't see anyone impeaching Clinton over that issue. In fact, you cannot impeach a president over political issue differences. And in fact, the president does have the legal right to make treaties, and the Senate has the right to affirm or not those treaties. So your assertions are based on hyperbole and feelings rather than legal facts. I will grant you that Bush has resisted closing the borders, but Congress also is directly implicit in it (or more so) by cutting funding requests for the Border Patrol (both parties are guilty, but more so the Democrats, just like it was mostly Democrats who voted against funding for the troops to buy bullet proof vests and ammo, remember Kerry's dilemma, "I voted for it before I voted against it"). If the FBI and police and military fail to find some or all the nukes, it is their fault because a president isn't out himself cruising around in a car looking for nukes smuggled into the country. It's just the same as the FBI failing against the 9-11 terrorists. The FBI failed, and you can only blame the president if there are identifiable policies that caused the FBI to fail. No, I do not think Bush can be impeached because individuals in federal law enforcement and state law enforcement failed to do their jobs well. | ||
| Michael |
David, If you think that it will be just politics as usual, if and when 4 million citizens are killed in a nuclear explosion carried out by terrorists, you're mistaken. Martial law would be more like it, and for an extended period of time. Would there be people screaming for the heads of anyone and everyone in a position of authority for "allowing" this? No doubt there would be many. But, political repercussions would be the last thing on the minds of the military, who would be in charge. There would be time enough to worry about that, once the crisis passed. And, that would be measured in years, no doubt in my mind. | ||
| raul Username: raul Registered: 4-2005 |
I personally believe that as some have prophecied that something else awaits President Bush and I don't say that lightly or with malice. He won't finish out his second term, and this doesn't mean impeachment. But, I'll stop there concerning his fate. Although, I will continue to pray for him that he seek the Lord in all matters. I do believe that this multi-attack will occur, but I also believe that prayer can alter their plans of destruction. In other words, we shouldn't just stand by holding our collective breaths and wish for the best. But, I do feel that some type of an attack will occur and besides the many lives that will be lost, the economy will also be greatly affected. It will be like a "one-two punch". I do believe that martial law will be declared as there will be much chaos and confusion throughout the country. Many will began to turn to violence and when we see this sign then this is when we will find ourselves at war with China after they have attacked Taiwan. Shortly, after this, Russia strikes America. | ||
| roy Username: roy Registered: 11-2003 |
Nuclear bomb survivor. On August 2, I made some comments about the link that Michael posted, concerning a fictional story of San Diego being nuked. My comments were that the mountain ridge between Miramar and downtown San Diego would protect Miramar, since a mountain ridge is very protective. To further buttress the point, the following relates the experience of a survivor of the 1945 Hiroshima bombing, who with his co-workers was only 1.5 miles from the center of the detonation of the nuke. This is a segment of a news story: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From his barracks near Hiroshima's main city park, Taniwaki could see the B-29 bombers as they ravaged the nearby city of Kure. "We thought we are lucky we are not bombed yet," he said. As it turned out, the reprieve in Hiroshima was not luck at all, but design. The United States had declared a moratorium on incendiary bombs in areas that were potential targets for the A-bomb. They hoped to limit the damage to those cities to better study the effects of the new weapon. Taniwaki never accepted the good fortune as permanent, though. "Air-raid alarms were going on pretty regularly," he said. "We knew bombs would be going off over our heads soon. It was only a matter of time." He just didn't know what kind. About 5:30 a.m. on Aug. 6, Taniwaki and 20 other soldiers were ordered to enlarge an air-raid shelter that was dug into a hill about 50 feet above the barracks. It would be their salvation. The men worked without a break, digging the tunnel-like shelter with picks and shovels. Every so often, one of them would wheel a cart filled with the dirt they scraped from the cavern walls to the shelter's entrance. They worked that way for more than two hours. "Then it happened," Taniwaki said. At 8:15 a.m., one of the men had pushed the dirt-filled cart to the entrance. He saw a flash and was thrown backward into the retreat. Then he heard an explosion. Deep in the shelter, Taniwaki heard it, too. "It didn't sound that loud," he said. Taniwaki and the other men calmly made their way out of the enclosure, which was about a mile and half from where the bomb detonated. The sight that met them was astounding. "We could see the entire barracks sitting in the rubble," said Taniwaki. "Some were still standing, leaning to the east. Probably a mile or more that we could see was flattened. Within a limited view, everything was gone." Taniwaki knew immediately that Hiroshima had fallen victim to an extraordinary weapon. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Taniwaki and his co-workers were only 1.5 miles from the point of detonation, digging an air raid tunnel into a hill. They suffered no effects, and have lived a long life. The earth absorbs the radiation, and shields people from the fire and other bomb effects. I realize that this is a gruesome subject to discuss, but the point is even if one were in a city which was nuked, if you had a hill between you and the point of detonation, the hill would shield you from most/all of the direct effects of the nuclear detonation. In fact, the best nuclear shelter is merely a ditch dug into the ground with boards over the top and earth of a couple of feet above the boards. The earth will protect the person and absorb radiation. This is what the army trains soldiers to do on a battlefield, which is to dig a shelter and cover it with earth. Less good but better than nothing is to lie flat in a ditch, the same advice one would take if caught in the vicinity of a tornado going through. I wanted to post this because even in the midst of a terrible thing like being where a nuke goes off, people can take simple steps to ward off effects and save their lives. | ||
| Elwar |
Shalom everyone, Why so many negative predictions on America. The Holy Scriptures don't mention America by name;therefore, where is the real evidence for judgment on America? | ||
| roy Username: roy Registered: 11-2003 |
Hello Elwar, The answer is simple, there are many modern prophecies that specifically and in great detail tell us the things that are coming. Anyone is free to reject the modern prophecies; but then they would be like the ancient Jews in the prophet Jeremiah's time. Jeremiah and other prophets prophesied for decades the warnings from God that judgment was coming to Judah. The regular people rejected the word of God by saying things like, "Why so many negative predictions?...this is not going to happen to us." The fact is that it did happen as Jeremiah and others had prophesied. Judah was captured by Babylon, and epic disaster befell that nation where most of the population was killed and a small amount of survivors taken to Babylon. Yet, if ancient Judah had listened to the prophetic word of God they could have avoided that terrible outcome. Why? the prophecies were conditional. Likewise, many prophets have prophesied on things to come in the USA and other countries, and these too are conditional. Only if people listen and change will the prophecies be averted. So my question to you is: If these prophecies are true, then your "don't worry be happy" attitude is likely to lead to the similar outcome as happened to ancient Judah. I and others do not want that to happen, and thus the reason for these Message Boards and discussions. | ||
| raul Username: raul Registered: 4-2005 |
Pastor Ian Johnson www.papelim.org.nz July 28, 2005 “A WORD FOR THE USA” ...The day is coming and now is when I will show forth My Glory in all the Earth. For many days now the Priests and Prophets have colluded to make My name in their image. Enough! Enough! Your plans are only to bring you glory and mount up great wealth for your own use. You consult mediums and psychics preferring to listen to them than to listen to My Word, you choose the wisdom of man before the wisdom of the Lord. You say you stand with Jacob; yet in secret you plot his destruction. My Glory is about to fall on Jacob and you will be ashamed for your actions. In secret you plot and plan to build for yourselves a temple among My Son Jacob. I am the Temple that Jacob will run to. I am the Glory that Jacob will be covered with. But you oh Nation of Eagles and secrets, you have gone too far removing the boundary stones of Old; causing Jacob to be cold and without shelter. The anger of the Lord is burning and is falling upon all, who plan in secret against My servant Jacob. Turn now while you can. Do you think that your wealth is going to protect you? I will remove Jacob from your shores and return Him to a place of safety, to the very place that you conceive in your heart to possess! You shall not possess it! For my Glory will be the only shelter Jacob needs. Do you think the blessings that have been upon you is because of your hand? You have loved Jacob in his time of need and I have blessed you. You have become a powerful nation. But in your pride you have forgotten My servant Jacob; planning instead to use his land for your own Glory! I will not share My glory with any man. Listen to Me Priests and Prophets, My glory will overrun you. To you who love Jacob and plan only for His good, a light will shine upon you in the place of darkness. You will see the Glory of your God, and you will stand in amazement at the wonders of the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. He will protect you from the falling of the proud and haughty. The Lord will punish the fallen Angels and the proud rulers of the nations. There will be such glory that the brightness of the sun and moon will seem to fade away. ISAIAH 25 O Lord, I will honor and praise your name, for you are my God. You do such wonderful things! You planned them long ago, and now you have accomplished them. (2) You turn mighty cities into heaps of ruins. Cities with strong walls are turned to rubble. Beautiful palaces in distant lands disappear and will never be rebuilt. (3) Therefore, strong nations will declare your glory; ruthless nations will revere you. “A WORD FOR JACOB” Jacob My Son you have been betrayed, but not by Me! Even now they are plotting against you and in this they are plotting against Me. Decisions have been made in high places; the scene is set for your return to Me! My Glory will overrun you in the nations and in the Land that I have set aside and laid before Abraham My servant and in the place where Jacob dwells. Many from Jacob have aligned themselves with the Sons of Eagles and secrets, and have turned their backs on Me. Turn again Jacob, turn now and return to the Land I have promised. For fire and arrows will fall upon the Land of Eagles and secrets. In this land you do have many allies you can trust. But in high places, they plot your destruction. Your only place of safety is under the cloud of My Glory. Priests and Prophets are saying,'peace, peace'. But I will not have a temple built for the glory of man; indeed My Glory will fill the Earth, and you Jacob will run into it! Prepare now Jacob, its time to move, its time to stand on the Lords side. I will crush all who oppose you. I will not forsake you. But to those who trust in idols calling them gods, I will turn them away in shame... Jacob, Yeshua has called and is calling. Now is the time to see the face of the Lord in all His Glory, as His cloud overshadows you. Your home awaits; your riches gained in the shelter of the Land of Eagles and secrets will be yours to take as plunder. For out from you will come a heart to bless the poor and to proclaim My Glory in the Earth. This is not for your sake, but for My own name, which has been profaned among the nations. You are no longer safe in the Land of Eagles and secrets. It’s time to come Home to your God. | ||
| roy Username: roy Registered: 11-2003 |
Thanks for posting the above Word, Raul. It is interesting that only this week, 2 momentous things are taking place at the same time. One is of course the forced removal of Jews from the Gaza (Gush Katif). The news often has it wrong in saying that they are there only from the late 60's. Actually, the main settlement of Gush Katif was there BEFORE Israel became a nation in 1948. They were absent a few years in the 60's because the Palestinians slaughtered all the inhabitants one time, but the same place was resettled after the 1967 war. Ariel Sharon is removing Jews from the Gaza because the USA and other nations have forced him to do it. The second momentous event taking place started yesterday, which is a large joint military exercise involving Russia and China. They are practicing bombing, invasion, amphibious landings, sea operations, etc. The purpose of a joint military exercise like this is to work out the bugs in cooperation for possible future joint war efforts (I don't need to mention what that is, since their protestations spill the beans, and we have discussed WW3 often here). | ||
| roy Username: roy Registered: 11-2003 |
BTW, you might wonder about the secret plans to build a Temple in Israel mentioned in the word above. In the 1970's, the International Masonic Order offered the mufti of Jerusalem over the Temple Mount, $300 million dollars at that time to buy the Temple Mount. The International Masonic Order has always wanted to build their own temple on the Temple Mount. They still have those plans. | ||
| raul Username: raul Registered: 4-2005 |
(from Jerry Golden) Shalom, After much prayer I have decided to email this to those on my email list, knowing that many hundreds have subscribed that will not understand. I have also decided not to put this on my website. The reason for sending this is as follows. A friend of mine here in Jerusalem, one who loves the Lord as I do, called me today and told me about a vision that simply stated says that we should not pay too much attention to the Disengagement, for it is pale in comparison to what is about to befall us from the north. As he spoke, the Ruach Ha Koddesh (Hebrew: the Holy Spirit) brought a witness on me that took my breath. It was then that I decided that I should share this vision. Once again you must be the judge, for God will bear a witness in your soul if it be from Him. Vision Aug. 16, 2005 I had just looked at my watch, it was 6:00 pm and suddenly I felt a touch on my right shoulder and heard a voice saying, "Yachov, (a name I never been called) be not troubled or allow your heart to be hardened for the things you will see must be. Be not concerned over things you have no control but seek the Ruach Ha Koddesh in all things for it is in Him you will find the way to God. You have been called for a purpose and God will keep your mind clear for the task set before you. Disaster will come from the north and many will perish, God's hand will still be on His precious Jewish people and He will not forsake them. There are many who have brought shame to His Name as they have chosen false idols and ways to worship believing they are pleasing God, yet in their hearts, they know it is their bellies they serve. For this sin, God will visit them in judgment. The days ahead will be difficult; but, God's hand is on you and those who He has chosen. Many things will not be understood; but, God's Will must be done. Be not distracted by events; but, keep your eyes on His Word, for disaster will come from the north. And, when it looks like there is no hope, God will still be there and His Will, will be done." I turned to look at the one who touched me on the shoulder, and I noticed that the room had a white bluish glow in it. But, I saw no one; he spoke as if he knew God and His Will. My conclusion is that it was an angel. Quickly I typed all this down, not knowing what I would do with it. Shalom, Jerry Golden www.thegoldenreport.com | ||
| Kerry |
Concerning the removal of Jews from Gaza and the west bank, I think that there is more to it than we see. I think that the purpose of Sharon giving up the land is to prepare for a future war, to take back all the land and get rid of all arabs. Now when the arabs lob a rocket over the wall to Israel, the Jews can destroy an entire city without having to worry about it's own people being in the path. This will be the only way to get rid of all arabs from their land and remove their mosques. | ||
| roy Username: roy Registered: 11-2003 |
Kerry, I don't believe I have heard Sharon or Israelis calling for elimination of all Palestinians. In fact, those Palestinians who live in Israel's area (over 1 million) are treated kindly. From a military strategic and tactical point of view, I don't buy your scenario. The areas were separated before, and there was never a problem targeting areas in Gaza shooting rockets, mortars, etc. I think the Group of Four pressured Israel into doing this, and the USA is at the forefront of it. Condoleeza Rice may be giving bad advice to W., since she just spoke yesterday and said that Gaza was just a start and Israel needs to move out of certain West Bank areas now. That is a change in Bush's view from a couple of years ago. She may be smart, but Condi may be giving terrible advice to Bush (or she may just be voicing what has been decided by the administration as a whole). | ||
| Kerry |
Someone that I know had a dream showing just that. If it's not that, then it goes to show you that terrorism does work. So if some of us decided we wanted our own country, we could start blowing up people all over and eventually we would get it. | ||
| roy Username: roy Registered: 11-2003 |
Terrorism does work when people are unwilling to do the hard thing and confront it head on. A small group can hijack a nation as we saw in the past in Nicaragua, Zimbabwe, Cuba, etc. In each of these nations they've enslaved the population and oppressed them, merely because the vast majority didn't want to confront the issue. Al Qaeda has recently published their goals which is to overthrow the government of Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, Jordan, Egypt, and Lebanon. They want to eliminate all non-muslims from these nations and establish a fascist "caliphate". The only way you can win against these jihadists is to hunt them down and kill them and all those who support them. That may be harsh, but it is the only way short of their accepting Yeshua as Messiah and becoming Christian with a total change of heart. | ||
| Blake |
Another prophecy I just heard was from Tom Deckard, who is known to be a true messianic Jewish prophet. Supposedly everything he has ever prophecied over the years has come true. He said that the Lord told him that the great deception as mentioned in the bible has to do with aliens. They are going to start appearing to people, saying that they are angels sent from God to give us messages. They are going to say that the antichrist is God, and that we should worship him. This is one test that I can easily pass. | ||
| Blake |
I can't answer that for you. And actually, I'm not sure that the Lord said specifically that it was the "bankers" that were responsible, or if it was just Stans opinion. But he did say that it was a large bank that was hit, their place of records, and that in the mad rush to get their money, people would be shot at outside the banks as they left. And they would be closed for awhile. | ||
| rick Username: rick Registered: 1-2004 |
to all sure glad you all put the above together.. the sites and the various people that is... Dreams, what do they really mean? I listen to prophecy club all the time. I also have read everything on Tom Deckard, along with others... Every thing has to be put together, as if it's a giant puzzle... look at it overall. not a piece here or there... that only confuses the overall message... I have always believed in dreams, and some have come true and some have not. example. back in 80-81 I had a dream of a tidalwave on the west coast hundreds of feet high. that same night a friend of mine had the same dream... in mine I was flying a helo and trying to pick people up to get then higher above the incoming wave. in his, he was trying to witness to people about Christ while the wave was coming in... so far I live in the midwest, he lives in the mountians of colorado. what did that dream mean... future event, or desire to share salvation message against the rising wave of anti-God events in the future... In another dream I saw my Daughter killed, Few weeks later, She was Killed... Dream, then event... so gather the info. find common ground with Holy Spirit and it will be reveled... Heck we still haven't figured out all of the Prophecies and Dreams in the Scriptures... what are these guys saying overall... Get your life right with God, End of story. Don't rely on your own strength... It's hard to do, I struggle with it every day, especially after the loss of my Daughter... have a good day | ||
| raul Username: raul Registered: 4-2005 |
Many are familiar with the following vision by A.A. Allen. I too have read it before, but I have always thought that it was prophesying SOLELY the Chinese-Russian invasion of America. After careful consideration, it now appears to me that one part of it refers to the multi-terrorist attack in America, that we have been discussing lately. Then, the second part of it goes on and describes the coming Chinese-Russian invasion. This is what I mean: "VISION TO EVANGELIST A.A. ALLEN IN THE 1950'S" As I stood atop the Empire State Building, I could see the Statue of Liberty, illuminating the gateway to the new world. Here, spread before me like an animated map, is an area 60 or 80 miles in diameter. I was amazed that the Spirit of the Lord should so move me, there atop the Empire State building. Why should I feel such a surge of His Spirit and power there? Suddenly I heard the voice of the Lord. It was as clear and as distinct as a voice could be. It seemed to come from the very midst of the giant telescope; but when I looked at the telescope, I knew it hadn't come from there, but directly from Heaven. The voice said, 2 CHRONICLES 16:9, "For the eyes of the LORD run to and fro throughout the whole earth, to shew himself strong in the behalf of them whose heart is perfect toward him. Herein thou has done foolishly; therefore, from henceforth thou shalt have wars." Immediately when I heard the voice of God, I knew this was a quotation of scripture; but never before had a thing come to me so forcibly by the power of the Spirit. The ticking of the telescope stopped. The man before me had used up his dime's worth. As he stepped away, I knew that I was next. As I stepped to the telescope and dropped in my dime, immediately the ticking started again. This ticking was an automatic clock which would allow me to use the telescope for a limited time only. As I swung the telescope to the north, suddenly the Spirit of God came upon me in a way that I had never thought of before. Seemingly, in the Spirit I was entirely caught away. I knew that the telescope itself had nothing to do with the distance which I was suddenly enabled to see, for I seemed to see things far beyond the range of the telescope, even on a bright, clear day. It was simply that God had chosen this time to reveal these things to me, for as I looked through the telescope, it was not Manhattan Island that I saw, but a far larger view. That morning much of the view was impaired by fog; but suddenly as the Spirit of the Lord came upon me, the fog seemed to clear until it seemed that I could see for thousands of miles, but that which I was looking upon was not Manhattan Island. It was all of the North American continent spread out before me as a map is spread upon a table. It was not the East River and the Hudson River that I saw on either side, but the Atlantic and the Pacific Oceans; and instead of the Statue of Liberty standing there in the bay on her small island, I saw her standing far out in the Gulf of Mexico. She was between me and the United States. I suddenly realized that the telescope had nothing to do with what I was seeing but that it was a vision coming directly from God; and to prove this to myself, I took my eyes away from the telescope so that I was no longer looking through the lens, but the same scene remained before me. There, clear and distinct, lay all the North American continent with all its great cities. To the north lay the Great Lakes. Far to the northeast was New York City. I could see Seattle and Portland far to the northwest. Down the west coast there were San Francisco and Los Angeles. Closer in the foreground lay New Orleans at the center of the Gulf Coast area. I could see the great towering ranges of the Rocky Mountains and trace with my eye the Continental Divide. All this and more I could see spread out before me as a great map upon a table. As I looked, suddenly from the sky I saw a giant hand reach down. That gigantic hand was reaching out toward the Statue of Liberty. In a moment her gleaming torch was torn from her hand, and in it instead was placed a cup; and I saw protruding from that great cup a giant sword, shining as if a great light had been turned upon its glistening edge. Never before had I seen such a sharp, glistening, dangerous sword. It seemed to threaten all the world. As the great cup was placed in the hand of the Statue of Liberty, I heard these words, "Thus saith the Lord of hosts, drink ye and be drunken and spue and fall and rise no more because of the sword which I will send." As I heard these words, I recognized them as a quotation from Jeremiah 25:27. I was amazed to hear the Statue of Liberty speak out in reply, "I WILL NOT DRINK!" Then as the voice of the thunder, I heard again the voice of the Lord saying, "Ye shall certainly drink." (Jeremiah 25:28) Then suddenly the giant hand forced the cup to the lips of the Statue of Liberty, and she became powerless to defend herself. The mighty hand of God forced her to drink every drop from the cup. As she drank the bitter dregs, these were the words that I heard: "Should ye be utterly unpunished? Ye shall not be unpunished, for I will call for a sword upon all the inhabitants of the earth, saith the Lord of hosts." (Jeremiah 27:29) When the cup was withdrawn from the lips of the Statute of Liberty, I noticed the sword was missing from the cup, which could mean but one thing. THE CONTENTS OF THE CUP HAD BEEN COMPLETELY CONSUMED! I knew that the sword merely typified war, death, and destruction, which is no doubt on the way. Then as one drunken on too much wine, I saw the Statue of Liberty become unsteady on her feet and begin to stagger and to lose her balance. I saw her splashing in the gulf, trying to regain her balance. I saw her stagger again and again and fall to her knees. As I saw her desperate attempts to regain her balance and rise to her feet again, my heart was moved as never before with compassion for her struggles; but as she staggered there in the gulf, once again I heard these words: "Drink ye and be drunken and spue and fall and rise no more because of the sword which I will send among you." (Jeremiah 25:37) As I watched, I wondered if the Statue of Liberty would ever be able to regain her feet, if she would ever stand again; and as I watched, it seemed that with all her power she struggled to rise and finally staggered to her feet again and stood there swaying drunkenly. I felt sure that at any moment she would fall again, possibly never to rise. I seemed overwhelmed with a desire to reach out my hand to keep her head above water, for I knew that if she ever fell again, she would drown there in the gulf. [Raul speaking: Here, he appears to begin to describe this multi-terrorist attack???] "Thou shalt not be afraid for the "TERROR" by night, nor for the "ARROW" that flyeth by day, nor for the "PESTILENCE" that walketh in darkness, nor for the "DESTRUCTION" that wasteth at "NOONDAY"." (Psalms 91:5-6) Then as I watched, another amazing thing was taking place. Far to the northwest, just out over Alaska, a huge, black cloud was arising. As it rose, it was as black as night. It seemed to be in the shape of a man's head. As it continued to arise, I observed two light spots in the black cloud. It rose further, and a gaping hole appeared. I could see that the black cloud was taking the shape of a skull, for now the huge, white, gaping mouth was plainly visible. Finally, the head was complete. Then the shoulders began to appear; and on either side, long, black arms. It seemed that what I saw was the entire North American continent, spread out like a map upon a table with this terrible skeleton-formed cloud arising from behind the table. It rose steadily until the form was visible down to the waist. At the waist the skeleton seemed to bend toward the United States, stretching forth a hand toward the EAST and one toward the WEST--one toward NEW YORK and one toward SEATTLE. As the awful form stretched forward, I could see that its entire attention seemed to be focused upon the United States, overlooking Canada at least for the time being. As I saw the horrible black cloud in the form of a skeleton bending toward America, bending from the waist over, reaching down toward CHICAGO and out toward BOTH COASTS, I knew its one interest was to destroy the multitudes. As I watched in horror, the great black cloud stopped just above the Great Lakes region and turned its face toward NEW YORK CITY. Then out of the horrible, great gaping mouth began to appear wisps of white vapor which looked like smoke, as a cigarette smoker would blow puffs of smoke from his mouth. These whitish vapors were being blown toward NEW YORK CITY. The smoke began to spread until it had covered all the EASTERN PART of the United States. Then the skeleton turned to the WEST and out of the horrible mouth and nostrils came another great puff of white smoke. This time it was blown in the direction of the WEST COAST. In a few moments' time the entire WEST COAST and LOS ANGELES area were covered with its vapors. Then toward the center came a third great puff. As I watched, ST. LOUIS and KANSAS CITY were enveloped in its white vapors. Then on they came toward NEW ORLEANS. Then on they swept until they reached the Statue of Liberty where she stood staggering drunkenly in the blue waters of the gulf. As the white vapors began to spread around the head of the statue, she took in but one gasping breath and then began to cough as though to rid her lungs of the horrible vapors she had inhaled. One could readily discern by the coughing that those white vapors had seared her lungs. What were these white vapors? Could they signify bacteriological warfare or nerve gas that could destroy multitudes of people in a few moments' time? Then I heard the voice of God as He spoke again: "Behold, the LORD maketh the earth empty and maketh it waste and turneth it upside-down and scattereth abroad the inhabitants thereof. And it shall be, as with the people, so with the priest; as with the servant, so with his master; as with the maid, so with her mistress; as with the buyer, so with the seller; as with the lender, so with the borrower; as with the taker of usury, so with the giver of usury to him. The land shall be utterly emptied and utterly spoiled, for the LORD hath spoken this word. The earth mourneth and fadeth away. The world languisheth and fadeth away. The haughty people of the earth do languish. The earth also is defiled under the inhabitants thereof because they have transgressed the laws, changed the ordinance, broken the everlasting covenant; therefore, hath the curse devoured the earth, and they that dwell therein are desolate; therefore, the inhabitants of the earth are burned and few men left." (Isaiah 24:1-6) As I watched, the coughing grew worse. It sounded like a person about to cough out his lungs. The Statue of Liberty was moaning and groaning. She was in mortal agony. The pain must have been terrific, as again and again she tried to clear her lungs of those horrible white vapors. I watched her there in the gulf as she staggered, clutching her lungs and her breast with her hands. Then she fell to her knees. In a moment she gave one final cough, made a last desperate effort to rise from her knees, and then fell face forward into the waters of the gulf and lay still as death. Tears ran down my face as I realized that she was dead! Only the lapping of the waves, splashing over her body which was partly under the water and partly out of the water, broke the stillness. [Raul speaking: Here, he concludes his description of the multi-terrorist attack and proceeds to describe the Chinese-Russian invasion.] "A fire devoureth before them, and behind them a flame burneth; the land is as the Garden of Eden before them, and behind them a desolate wilderness, yea, and nothing shall escape them." (Joel 2:3) Suddenly the silence was shattered by the screaming of sirens. The sirens seemed to scream, "RUN FOR YOUR LIVES!" Never before had I heard such shrill, screaming sirens. They seemed to be everywhere--to the north, the south, the east, and the west. There seemed to be multitudes of sirens; and as I looked, I saw people everywhere running, but it seemed none of them ran more than a few paces, and then they fell. And even as I had seen the Statue of Liberty struggling to regain her poise and balance and finally falling for the last time to die on her face, I now saw millions of people falling in the streets, on the sidewalks, struggling. I heard their screams for mercy and help. I heard their horrible coughing as though their lungs had been seared with fire. I hear the moanings and groanings of the doomed and the dying. As I watched, a few finally reached shelters, but only a few ever got to the shelters. Above the moaning and the groaning of the dying multitudes, I heard these words: "A noise shall come even to the ends of the earth, for the Lord hath a controversy with the nations. He will plead with all flesh; he will give them that are wicked to the sword, saith the Lord. Thus saith the Lord of hosts, Behold, evil shall go forth from nation to nation, and a great whirlwind shall be raised up from the coasts of the earth, and the slain of the Lord shall be at that day from one end of the earth even unto the other end of the earth. They shall not be lamented, neither gathered, nor buried; they shall be dung upon the ground." (Jeremiah 25:31-33) Then suddenly I saw from the Atlantic and from the Pacific and out of the Gulf rocket-like objects that seemed to come up like fish leaping out of the water. High into the air they leaped, each headed in a different direction, but every one toward the United States. On the ground the sirens screamed louder, and up from the ground I saw similar rockets beginning to ascend. To me these appeared to be interceptor rockets although they arose from different points all over the United States; however, none of them seemed to be successful in intercepting the rockets that had risen from the ocean on every side. These rockets finally reached their maximum height, slowly turned over and fell back toward the earth in defeat. Then suddenly the rockets which had leaped out of the oceans like fish all exploded at once. The explosion was ear-splitting. The next thing which I saw was a huge ball of fire. The only thing I have ever seen which resembled the thing I saw in my vision was the picture of the explosion of the H-bomb somewhere in the South Pacific. In my vision it was so real that I seemed to feel a searing heat from it. As the vision spread before my eyes and I viewed the widespread desolation brought about by the terrific explosions, I could not help thinking, While the defenders of our nation have quibbled over what means of defense to use and neglected the only true means of defense--faith and dependence upon the true and living God--the thing which she greatly feared has come unto her! How true it has proven in Psalms 127:1: Except the Lord build the house, they labour in vain that build it; except the Lord keep the city, the watchman waketh but in vain. Then as the noise of battle subsided, to my ears came this quotation: "Blow ye the trumpet in Zion and sound an alarm in my holy mountain; let all the inhabitants of the land tremble, for the day of the Lord cometh, for it is nigh at hand. 2. A day of darkness and of gloominess, a day of clouds and of thick darkness, as the morning spread upon the mountains, a great people and a strong, there hath not been ever the like, neither shall be any more after it, even to the years of many generations. 3. A fire devoureth before them, and behind them a flame burneth; the land is as the Garden of Eden before them, and behind them a desolate wilderness, yea, and nothing shall escape them. 4. The appearance of them is as the appearance of horses; and as horsemen, so shall they run. 5. Like the noise of chariots on the tops of mountains shall they leap, like the noise of a flame of fire that devoureth the stubble, as a strong people set in battle array. 6. Before their face the people shall be much pained; all faces shall gather blackness. 7. They shall run like mighty men; they shall climb the wall like men of war, and they shall march every one on his ways, and they shall not break their ranks. 8. Neither shall one thrust another; they shall walk every one in his path; and when they fall upon the sword, they shall not be wounded. 9. They shall run to and fro in the city; they shall run upon the wall; they shall climb up upon the houses; they shall enter in at the windows like a thief. 10. The earth shall quake before them; the heavens shall tremble; the sun and the moon shall be dark,, and the stars shall withdraw their shining. (Joel 2:1-10) Then the voice was still. The earth, too was silent with the silence of death. [Raul speaking: He concludes his description of the Chinese-Russian invasion and ends the prophecy on a positive note for those who are spiritually prepared and thus under His protection] Then to my ears came another sound--a sound of distant singing. It was the sweetest music I had ever heard. There was joyful shouting and sounds of happy laughter. Immediately I knew it was the rejoicing of the saints of God. I looked, and there, high in the heavens, above the smoke and poisonous gases, above the noise of the battle, I saw a huge mountain. It seemed to be of solid rock, and I knew at once that this was the Mountain of the Lord. The sounds of music and rejoicing were coming from a cleft high up in the side of the rock mountain. It was the saints of God who were doing the rejoicing. It was God's own people who were singing and dancing and shouting with joy, safe from all the harm which had come upon the earth, for they were hidden away in the cleft of the rock. There in the cleft they were shut in, protected by a great, giant hand which reached out of the heavens and which was none other than the hand of God, shutting them in until the storm be overpassed. | ||
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